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Re: Radio

Posted by John Sturm on 02/14/2005 05:17:32 PM

Jeremy's comments were not devastating. Nor were they disgraceful. They were his honest impression of his experience. Jeremy is a tough critic. Most of us know that. He wrote some somewhat unflattering remarks a couple years ago about the Toronado. Perhaps even more unflattering than what he wrote about Dickie's. I personally have found the Toronado to be an excellent bar. Had I not ever been there I still would never have avoided it based on Jeremy's criticism. The positive reviews far outweigh one man's opinion. Same for Dickie's. His average review was certainly not enough to make me skip it. Unfortunately Sabrina's response was enough to make me not want to visit it. Had she made one insulting comment about Jeremy, calling him just "a bloody fool" I might have been able to overlook that based on language barriers. After all it was me who casaully referred to a longtime Brit babbler as "a wanker." I meant it rather jokingly but was taken to task for hurling an incredible damning insult. My bad. And this was between people who roughly speak the same language! But this woman went on and on, calling him a coward, small minded, small. That was really unnecessary and rude. I have read much harsher reviews that still did not deserve such a rude response. It is possibly a language barrier as well that led to Jeremy thinking he had ribs w/Oerbier. Or maybe he saw ribs on the menu and based on what he had he assumed they were ribs with Oerbier. To call him a liar is rude, rude, rude. Mistakes happen when we are forced to deal with a language barrier. As for the radio well it appears that sometimes they play the radio and sometimes they don't. Just because an establishment works hard to promote Belgian beers does not give them carte blanche to resort to rude name calling. Fortunately her remarks will have little to no effect on Jeremy's reputation. Most of us who know him know he is not rude, a coward, or small minded. A tough critic? Absolutely. But he's still my friend and I think he deserves an apology for the ill words that have been used against him.

As for Sabrina I still must give her some benefit of the doubt. I have never met her. I do know that she has vastly over estimated the negative impact of Jeremy's comments. They simply did not warrant the e-tongue-lashing that he received.

Eating and drinking in Brugge - updates from recent trip - Jeremy Gray, 02/12/05 11:34:08 AM
        Dickie - Den Dyver - Logan, 02/14/05 02:20:58 PM
                Re: Dickie - Den Dyver - Filip Geerts, 02/16/05 01:47:46 AM
                Re: Dickie - Den Dyver - Rich Link, 02/15/05 08:53:26 PM
                Den Dyver - marcusm, 02/15/05 03:20:55 AM
                        Re: Den Dyver - , 02/15/05 08:08:47 AM
                                Re: Den Dyver - marcusm, 02/16/05 05:07:23 AM
                Stille Nacht 2000 - Ian, 02/14/05 03:54:39 PM
                        Stille Nacht 2000 on tap - Logan, 02/15/05 09:16:29 PM
                        Re: Stille Nacht 2000 - Loren, 02/15/05 08:19:11 AM
                        Re: Stille Nacht 2000 - Paul Shirley, 02/14/05 06:51:31 PM
        Great report, Jeremy - Bob Johnston, 02/14/05 08:43:04 AM
        Re: Eating and drinking in Brugge - updates from recent trip - Filip Geerts, 02/14/05 05:54:42 AM
                Filip and Sabrina - Bob Johnston, 02/14/05 08:51:02 AM
        Re: Eating and drinking in Brugge - updates from recent trip - Sabrina Danieletto, 02/13/05 06:20:49 PM
                Thank you for your comments - Jeremy Gray, 02/14/05 02:40:29 PM
                        I've Been Sitting Here Biting My Lip .... - Mark, 02/15/05 06:15:31 AM
                                Re: I've Been Sitting Here Biting My Lip .... - Filip Geerts, 02/15/05 07:10:11 AM
                                        Trying to be constructive - I swear! - SteveG, 02/15/05 01:38:14 PM
                                        Re: I've Been Sitting Here Biting My Lip .... - Mark, 02/15/05 08:52:21 AM
                                                Re: I've Been Sitting Here Biting My Lip .... - Filip Geerts, 02/15/05 04:08:33 PM
                                                        Filip, read this lot to make you feel better - Jeremy Gray, 02/16/05 04:10:04 AM
                                                                Re: Filip, read this lot to make you feel better - Filip Geerts, 02/16/05 01:37:11 PM
                                                                Jeremy's idea of a reasoned argument - , 02/16/05 04:48:11 AM
                                                                        Re: Jeremy's idea of a reasoned argument - Tony Blair, 02/16/05 08:21:47 AM
                                                                        Thank you for your input :) - Jeremy Gray, 02/16/05 05:08:53 AM
                                                                                He won't, because THAT is not the aim. nfm - Joris P., 02/16/05 06:01:36 AM
                                                Being mistaken is not the issue - Dick, 02/15/05 03:26:47 PM
                        Re: Thank you for your comments - Filip Geerts, 02/14/05 04:14:58 PM
                "destroy our business"?? Oh brother. nfm - SteveG, 02/14/05 12:09:51 PM
                what? - John Sturm, 02/13/05 09:32:44 PM
                        Re: what? - Filip Geerts, 02/14/05 07:06:53 AM
                                You should be ashamed of yourself Filip. - SteveG, 02/14/05 09:32:58 AM
                                        Re: You should be ashamed of yourself Filip. - Filip Geerts, 02/14/05 11:47:22 AM
                                                Re: You should be ashamed of yourself Filip. - SteveG, 02/14/05 12:03:21 PM
                                                        RELAX Steve ! - Filip Geerts, 02/14/05 12:32:16 PM
                                                                How dare you, Filip Geerts - Jeremy Gray, 02/14/05 02:44:50 PM
                                                                        Re: How dare you, Filip Geerts - Filip Geerts, 02/14/05 03:16:10 PM
                                                                                Re: How dare you, Filip Geerts - SteveG, 02/14/05 04:20:31 PM
                                                                                        Re: How dare you, Filip Geerts - Filip Geerts, 02/14/05 04:50:14 PM
                                                                                                Re: How dare you, Filip Geerts - Jeremy Gray, 02/14/05 05:02:19 PM
                                                                                                        Re: How dare you, Filip Geerts - Theresa Zlonkiewicz, 02/14/05 05:09:49 PM
                                                                                                                Re: How dare you, Filip Geerts - Filip Geerts, 02/14/05 05:35:04 PM
                                                                                                                        My final word - Jeremy Gray, 02/15/05 03:13:34 AM
                                                                                                                                Re: My final word - Joelle, 02/15/05 10:49:49 AM
                                                                                                                                Re: My final word - Filip Geerts, 02/15/05 04:11:22 AM
                                                                                                                                        Re: My final word - Joris P., 02/15/05 05:16:13 AM
                                                                                                                                                Re: My final word - Filip Geerts, 02/15/05 06:10:06 AM
                                                                                                                                                        English and other expressions - Joris P., 02/15/05 07:39:13 AM
                                                                                                                        How's this for a desperate attempt at a solution - MikeK, 02/14/05 08:43:03 PM
                                                                                                                                Re: How's this for a desperate attempt at a solution - SteveG, 02/15/05 07:23:05 AM
                                                                                                                                Re: How's this for a desperate attempt at a solution - John Sturm, 02/14/05 08:48:26 PM
                                                                For Attention of Filip - Theresa Zlonkiewicz, 02/14/05 02:27:17 PM
                                                                        Re: For Attention of Filip - Filip Geerts, 02/14/05 03:04:44 PM
                                                                                Re: For Attention of Filip - Tim L, 02/14/05 06:23:17 PM
                                                                                        Re: For Attention of Filip - Filip Geerts, 02/15/05 04:33:31 AM
                                                                                                Re: For Attention of Filip - Cornelia, 02/15/05 08:48:30 AM
                                                                                                        Re: For Attention of Filip - Warren Becker, 02/16/05 01:18:21 PM
                                                                                                                Waterfronts in NYC - Jeremy Gray, 02/16/05 01:27:41 PM
                                                                                                                        Speaking of Ribs... - Bill Coleman, 02/16/05 02:08:53 PM
                                                                                                                                Re: Speaking of Ribs... - Filip Geerts, 02/16/05 02:50:35 PM
                                                                                                        BBQ in NYC - DaveR, 02/15/05 10:23:51 AM
                                                                                                                May not be pricey if you normally pay in Euros. nfm - Dick, 02/15/05 09:02:01 PM
                                                                                                                        Re: May not be pricey if you normally pay in Euros. - Jeremy Gray, 02/16/05 02:30:05 AM
                                                                                                                                Re: May not be pricey if you normally pay in Euros. - Bill Coleman, 02/16/05 12:04:18 PM
                                                                                                                Re: BBQ in NYC - Filip Geerts, 02/15/05 03:06:16 PM
                                                                                                                Dinosaur BBQ? - SteveG, 02/15/05 12:24:33 PM
                                                                                                        Re: For Attention of Filip - Bill Coleman, 02/15/05 09:50:02 AM
                                                                                        RIbs ! - marcusm, 02/15/05 04:10:01 AM
                                                                relaxed... - SteveG, 02/14/05 12:56:34 PM
                                                                        Not to intrude but... - Loren, 02/14/05 01:44:24 PM
                                                                                Re: Not to intrude but... 5p - marcusm, 02/15/05 04:13:49 AM
                                                                                I figured you were studying techniques ;=D - Dick, 02/14/05 07:29:19 PM
                                                                                Re: Not to intrude but... - SteveG, 02/14/05 04:32:40 PM
                                                                                        Eh...at the end of the day... - Loren, 02/15/05 06:57:26 AM
                                                                                                Didn't you have to exit a message board once? - SteveG, 02/15/05 07:31:39 AM
                                                                                                        HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! - Loren, 02/15/05 08:01:36 AM
                                                                                                                Re: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! - SteveG, 02/15/05 09:23:55 AM
                                                                                                                        Case in point #2 - Loren, 02/15/05 10:11:09 AM
                                                                                                                                Re: Case in point #2 - SteveG, 02/15/05 11:06:34 AM
                                                                                                                        Personal attacks - don't get mad... - Loren, 02/15/05 10:00:31 AM
                                                                                                                                Re: Personal attacks - don't get mad... - SteveG, 02/15/05 10:38:37 AM
                                                                                                                                        Re: Personal attacks - don't get mad... - Loren, 02/15/05 11:14:08 AM
                                                                                                                                                A, I thought something had to be missing! - SteveG, 02/15/05 11:43:06 AM
                                                                                                                                                        Re: A, I thought something had to be missing! - Loren, 02/15/05 12:38:01 PM
                                                                                        Re: Not to intrude but... - Filip Geerts, 02/14/05 04:45:53 PM
                                                                                                Re: Not to intrude but... - dsanborn, 02/14/05 05:36:25 PM
                                                                                                Re: Not to intrude but... - Jeremy Gray, 02/14/05 04:50:16 PM
                                                                                                        Re: Not to intrude but... if I could throw my 5p in - marcusm, 02/15/05 04:41:51 AM
                                                                                                                PeacemakerOfTheGrandDuché - Gunter, 02/15/05 08:06:58 AM
                                                                                                                        Re: PeacemakerOfTheGrandDuché - marcusm, 02/16/05 04:41:50 AM
                My goodness! - Dick, 02/13/05 08:46:16 PM
                        Re: My goodness! - Filip Geerts, 02/14/05 06:31:41 AM
                                Hi, Filip... - Dick, 02/14/05 10:52:58 AM
                                Radio - Ian, 02/14/05 07:07:14 AM
                                        Re: Radio - Filip Geerts, 02/14/05 07:19:44 AM
                                                Re: Radio - John Sturm, 02/14/05 05:17:32 PM
                                                        Re: Radio - Filip Geerts, 02/14/05 05:51:51 PM
                                                                Re: Radio - John Sturm, 02/14/05 08:37:28 PM
                        Re: My goodness! - Reader of this thread (Tim L.), 02/13/05 11:45:20 PM
                                Re: My goodness! - , 02/14/05 09:56:13 AM
                                        Re: My goodness! - Filip Geerts, 02/15/05 05:37:16 PM
                                        I think you are the Brit who lives in Brugge ..nfm - Ian, 02/15/05 06:16:49 AM
                                                Re: I think you are the Brit who lives in Brugge ..nfm - Teresa, 02/15/05 09:54:37 AM
                                                        Re: I think you are the Brit who lives in Brugge ..nfm - Ian, 02/15/05 11:26:19 AM
                                                                Re: I think you are the Brit who lives in Brugge ..nfm - Filip Geerts, 02/15/05 03:03:51 PM
                                        Ha! - John Sturm, 02/14/05 05:44:43 PM
                                        Anonomous notes also show true colors. nfm - SteveG, 02/14/05 12:07:00 PM
                                        Re: My goodness! - Gunter, 02/14/05 10:19:31 AM
                                        Lame - Bob Johnston, 02/14/05 10:07:04 AM
                                Nothing will remain as before - Joris P. Pattyn, 02/14/05 01:56:38 AM
                                        modest proposal, a.k.a. trip to hell - jg_eric, 02/15/05 01:03:44 AM
        Re: Eating and drinking in Brugge - updates from recent trip - Tim Lepley, 02/13/05 03:18:55 PM
        Re: Eating and drinking in Brugge - updates from recent trip - Rich Link, 02/12/05 01:47:41 PM
                Vlissinghe - Jeremy Gray, 02/12/05 01:58:40 PM

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