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Brad
06/04/05 11:55 AM  
Brett. Lamb. starter
I am making the 3rd in series of Saisons. I am make an RR Erudtion clone. I need to use a mix of 60% Dupont and 40% Brettanomyces Lambicus. Since I have a yeast cake of WLP565 I need to build up the Brett. Here is my plan:

Make a standard start with a few modifications:

3 cups water

1/3 cup DME

1 tlbsp MaltoDextrin Powder

t tsp yeast nutrient

Aerate (when cool)

Do you think the MaltoDextrin is a good idea?

Do you think the yeast nutrient will help Brett, or is designed for Sac?

Brad

SteveG
06/06/05 09:26 AM  
Re: Brett. Lamb. starter
Hi Brad, sorry there is no activity on this one yet. I have passed your question along to a micro biologist/brewer friend. Was hanging with him just Saturday, dropping off a slurry of Roeselare. He showed me some petri dishes that he had used to streak out some Roeselare in the past, pointing out the two strains of saccromyces, a lacto bacclus and brettanomyce he encountered. Very interesting, they all looked really different in color, size and growth pattern. Anyway, he had a lot to say about how the brettanomycess should be handled given its growth behavior, and how it should best be introduced into a fermentable environment with other creatures if it is to be kept in reasonable check. I should have something from him in the next day of two ... stay tuned ...
Al
06/06/05 12:24 PM  
Re: Brett. Lamb. starter
Greetings Brad......just got this from Steve on the above subject. The dextrin is fine for the Brett. but not essential. Yeast nutrient will help all organisms (Sacc. Brett. Lactic bacteria, etc.) as long as you use the right amount (i.e. manufacturer's instructions). The Brett will grow until a there's a large build-up of acid, so calcium carbonate should be added (1-2%) if you plan to store over a month or two.

Al

Chet
06/07/05 05:35 PM  
Re: Brett. Lamb. starter
Al - thanks for the input.

I'm working on an all brett. brux. beer (no sacc.) and had some add'l questions, if you can...

Does the acidity build up kill the brett, or does it just go dormant?

Is the purpose of adding the calcium carbonate to preserve the beer ("if you plan to store over a month or two"), or just to allow the brett to fully ferment out?

Will the finished beer be less sour to taste due the calcium carbonate addition?

Brad
06/07/05 06:32 PM  
Re: Brett. Lamb. starter
Thanks Al (and Steve)

Chet I think you want to add the calcium carbonate only in the start. The purpose of making the starter is to increse the cell count. If the acidity kills all of the Brett. none of it will make it into the beer. So you add the calcium carbonate to prevent the PH from getting to low. When you are makeing the beer you want the PH to get low so you get the sourness.

Brad

Al
06/09/05 10:46 AM  
Re: Brett. Lamb. starter
Chet,

I would concurr with Brad's statement. Several referrences indicate that excess acidity will kill or inhibit Brettanomyces, but I think it would need to be a very low pH for a long period of time. Also, some "environmental" strains may be more tolerant than others - I have had no issues with a Brett. isolate recovered in Oud Beersel (over a year on medium without CaCO3). So, for your brew, I wouldn't be concerned with buffering the beer, just the starter if you're holding it for storage.

Al

Chet
06/09/05 03:29 PM  
Re: Brett. Lamb. starter
Good info guys! I kept a starter culture for future use, so I'll use the CaCO3 in that.

The 3 gallon batch of "Barnyard Brown" I'll leave to fester on (primary ferm is done, I'm going to sample it this weekend.

It sounds like there are several funky/sour beer experiments going on for a swap at some point...

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