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Andrew Weiss
12/20/05 07:35 PM  
Reviving / Using 3278
I've got some Wyeast Lambic blend that I got 2 for 1 because it was old. I was thinking I should use it anyways and I may yet make a small starter out of it. I have one pack that is from 8/04 and one pack that is from 12/04. One pack was slightly swollen.

I pulled it out today (Tuesday) because I figure I need to have it ready by next Monday and was thinking of the 1 day = 1 month rule (I thought 12 days or more would be way too much but 6-7 would be OK + starter)

I took the thinner older package and tried to find the bubble. I smacked what I found. A small hole opened in the package at the corner and a drop of yeast came out along with some gas. Thinking quickly I rinsed the rest of the bag turning it upright and flame melted the tip shut. The swollen bag was even harder to find the inner pack and it popped audibly but the bag seems to be still sealed.

Should I just chuck these or should I go ahead with them and augment later with separate cultures?

SteveG
12/21/05 07:11 AM  
Re: Reviving / Using 3278
I think you should play it out for the sake of science. Blends like those are not like varietal yeasts, the components grow at very different rates. It would be worth it just to see, once (and if) it takes off, what the balance is - that is to say what component is dominent - after so much time. But I would think very hard before chucking them into beer!!
Andrew Weiss
12/21/05 01:05 PM  
Re: Reviving / Using 3278
<<I think you should play it out for the sake of science. Blends like those are not like varietal yeasts, the components grow at very different rates. It would be worth it just to see, once (and if) it takes off, what the balance is - that is to say what component is dominent - after so much time. But I would think very hard before chucking them into beer!!>>

So you think I should use them, but if not on beer what? :-)

Or are you saying don't put them into a really good batch that already tastes good. Problem is this is my first batch of lambic so I either use these or buy a fresh packet at Corrados and use that. (or buy all 3 cultures separately and use them with or without 3278). I'm thinking I'll need some additional Sach and the blend has some good yeasts for fermenting out the fruit sugar.

Then again I found someone using the puree I mentioned earlier and they said you should use 4 cans, so I could split into two 6.5 gallon carboys and pitch two yeasts and 2 cans of cherry each. Hmmm. (I'd need to split because I'd have not enough headspace and be sure to get a blow out)

Brendan M
01/04/06 12:34 PM  
Re: Reviving / Using 3278
I'd just pitch it. I brewed a plambic in mid december and it gets all the dregs of all the funky belgians I can get my hands on.

What did you end up doing?

Brendan
01/04/06 12:36 PM  
Re: Reviving / Using 3278
Also making a starter may not be the best because you will overwhelm the initial pitching rates as deterimined by wyeast.

Just thinking here.. it's most likely too late, but hey!

SteveG
01/04/06 01:02 PM  
Re: Reviving / Using 3278
Hi Brendan, that's an interesting approach. A beer made with the dregs of 6 or 8 different Belgians, sometimes playing a wild card can be fun! I can see trying that some time, making a wort then drinking a few bottles, flaming the lips then pitching in the sediment. Anyone else ever try this?
Andrew Weiss
01/04/06 04:01 PM  
Re: Reviving / Using 3278
<<What did you end up doing?>>

I ended up buying new (2 month old) 3278. I smacked all 3 packs and left the middle one (1.1 years) for 6 days and it swelled mightily, the oldest (1.5 years) for 8 days and it swelled a bit, and the newest for 3 days and it hardly swelled. I then basically modified my recipe to use 4 cans of Oregon fruit, bought a 54 L demijohn, pitched everything together and it seems to be trucking away nicely. The foam inside is so pretty and the beer is a nice deep garnet.

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SteveG
01/04/06 04:23 PM  
Re: Reviving / Using 3278
>>and the newest for 3 days and it hardly swelled.<<

Interesting. Normally this would indicated that the new one is a dud, but in this case I think it suggests that the dominent bacteria within was not of the CO2 producing variety. Sounds like you have a good mix.

 
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