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Chet
09/01/06 10:31 AM  
New Wyeast Strain - Belgian Schelde Ale
From their website, one of their seasonal strains:

"NEW- Wyeast 3655 Belgian Schelde Ale

From the East Flanders Antwerpen region of Belgium, this unique and classic top fermenting yeast produces distinct complex fruity aroma and flavors that meld well with premium quality pale and crystal malts. Clean well rounded and smooth textures are exhibited with a full bodied malty profile. Flocculation: Medium; Apparent Attenuation: 73 77%. (65 - 72 F; 18 - 22 C)."

Guess I'm not done with my string of summer Belgian beers...

Sean Paxton
09/01/06 12:31 PM  
Re: New Wyeast Strain - Belgian Schelde Ale

Great news. I was on there site last night and didn't see that. Just noticed that there seasonals were no longer mentioned and some of the yeasts I was hoping to brew with are no longer available.

I am a huge fan of Wyeast and much prefer there flavor and attenuation profiles over White Labs. I have produced some great beers with there yeast and am sad they the offerings are being limited. I can only guess at how White Labs has taken more of the market share and shelf space. Yet, I so encourage Wyeast to update there website, give more info on there yeast strains and keep coming up with new strains or blends of strains.

The Brett Anomalous isnt even listed on there website and its a wonderful product!

ErikH
09/01/06 02:30 PM  
Re: New Wyeast Strain - Belgian Schelde Ale
Hmm . . . any thoughts on the origin? Bush/Scaldis?
TedJ
09/01/06 03:35 PM  
Re: New Wyeast Strain - Belgian Schelde Ale
What about de Kon
TedJ
09/01/06 03:50 PM  
Re: New Wyeast Strain - Belgian Schelde Ale
Oops- What about De Konincke? Is Moortgat in Antwerp?
mheniff
09/04/06 02:58 PM  
Re: New Wyeast Strain - Belgian Schelde Ale
My bet is DeKoninck. It is in Antwerp of which the River Schelde runs through. he description sounds like that of a Belgian Pale Ale as well. Moortgat (not in Antwerp but not far from Antwerp) already has a yeast, Wyeast 1388.
N8
09/04/06 11:39 PM  
Re: New Wyeast Strain - Belgian Schelde Ale
I've heard from a reliable source that it is the DeKonick yeast.

Funny thing is, a few guys in our club were just talking about doing a DeKonick clone. It was one our favs from European travels.

Personally, my fav was the Gouyasse triple, but the DeKonick was quite pleasing as well. And, a side note to that.. We were in Amsterdam at a place called Kadinsky. I ordered a DeKonick. The first time I had had it overseas. It had a wonderful crisp lactic bite. I thought it was a great beer, but my companion, Rod, was telling me that that was not right. I was almost disappointed. I though the lactic version was great. So, if you ever brew a version of DeKonick, dedicate a portion to infection. At least a lactic infection. It's a really tasty beer.

We found out that the beer lines were infected at Kadinsky's...

TedJ
09/05/06 11:19 AM  
Re: New Wyeast Strain - Belgian Schelde Ale
Thanks mheniff. I was wondering about the Schelde name and forgot about the Duvel yeast.

Had the DeKoninck on draft in a Antwerp cafe last summer. It was guite good and not lactic. But I also find a tart bite to be a plus at times. I have some small bottles of Moinette at home that have a touch of it. A friend shared a 750 of Moinette last night and we did not get any of the same bite.

ErikH
09/18/06 07:11 PM  
Re: New Wyeast Strain - Belgian Schelde Ale
Hmmmm, N8 . . . last time I checked in at Kadinsky, the feature product wasn't beer, nudge nudge! Although I seem to recall their location near the Spui was just a block or so from Cafe Gollem? Seems like the place to go for an Indica Pale Ale, though (or dare I suggest, a Bud)!
N8
09/18/06 09:29 PM  
Re: New Wyeast Strain - Belgian Schelde Ale
Ha, Erik.

You're right. Kadinsky does have a green smoke cafe. But there is one not too far from In de Wilderman and Cafe Belgique that has the beers.

There are actually several Kadinsky's cafes throughout Amsterdam. What a loverly place,Amsterdam.

Cisco
09/19/06 01:33 PM  
Re: New Wyeast Strain - Belgian Schelde Ale
I just got back from Amsterdam Saturday night. Visited Der Wildeman and Gollem and t'Arendsnest(Dutch beers). Looked in several bottle shops for any Westvleteren and none was found! Of course the coffee houses had the usual great selections.
DRC
10/24/06 09:18 AM  
Re: New Wyeast Strain - Belgian Schelde Ale
The reason homebrew shops like white labs is two fold:

1) They can return expired yeast.

2) They don't have to put in a high dollar amount order like with Wyeast.

I personally like wyeast but they need to make it easier on the homebrew shops to compete with white labs two biggest pluses!

JohnG
10/24/06 03:31 PM  
Re: New Wyeast Strain - Belgian Schelde Ale
I hope it is the de Koninck. I have used that strain quite a bit and love the cinnamon-like spice character. not the biggest attenuator (9%?), but super-tasty.
Chet
10/24/06 04:48 PM  
Re: New Wyeast Strain - Belgian Schelde Ale
I've got a "Munich Dunkel ala Belgium" Ale using the Schelde yeast that I'm ready to keg this weekend.

Smells pretty good out of the airlock...

Mark Rasheed
12/13/06 05:37 PM  
Re: New Wyeast Strain - Belgian Schelde Ale
I received a pack of this yeast yesterday. Can anyone point me towards a good De Konick Pale recipe please.

Cheers

Mark

N8
12/13/06 05:40 PM  
Re: New Wyeast Strain - Belgian Schelde Ale
www.babblebelt.com/newboard/thread.html?tid=1108752780&th=1165691660&pg=1&tpg=1&add=1
Mark Rasheed
12/13/06 06:45 PM  
Re: New Wyeast Strain - Belgian Schelde Ale
Cheers N8!
Zucker Bee
01/19/07 10:52 AM  
Re: New Wyeast Strain - Belgian Schelde Ale
So, any comments on that yeast?

I've obtained a fairly attenuated product after fermenting for a week at 16c ramping up to 21c. Some sulfur produced during fermentation, but now it's going away, leaving a very crisp, lager like aroma. Not much esters; reminescent of Furtenberg (!?) and Saison-like acidity in the nose.

More to come, when the beer is finished

Zb

N8
01/19/07 11:15 AM  
Re: New Wyeast Strain - Belgian Schelde Ale
You've pretty much summed it up Zucker. This yeast produces a very lager-like brew with an almost saison-ish spicyness. I have made three beers with it so far, and they are all great. I went for a DeKoninck pale clone first and it was pretty ding-dang close. Brilliant redish clarity, with a clean spicy nose. The flavors come across clean and lager-like, hint of citrus, very refreshing and light for an ale. Made a couple of other beers with the yeast as well that came out just as good. They had date syrup in them, though, which added to the simple complexity.

Currently, my favorite saccharomyces.

Zucker Bee
01/19/07 03:00 PM  
Re: New Wyeast Strain - Belgian Schelde Ale
too bad it was a one-shot deal: they won't put it out again, at least in a near future. I just eMailed them to show my interest in seeing it as a regular product.

Zb

Zucker Bee
01/25/07 10:26 AM  
Re: New Wyeast Strain - Belgian Schelde Ale
N8 : how long does it take for the sulfury profile to mellow out?

I'm almost done crashing it, will undergo a lagering period... but for how long?

Zb

N8
01/25/07 11:01 AM  
Re: New Wyeast Strain - Belgian Schelde Ale
A couple of weeks in the lagering tank seemed to clear it for me.

The longer it spends in the cooler the crisper it becomes without loosing any of the Belgiany esters.

Ed
02/08/07 06:31 PM  
Re: New Wyeast Strain - Belgian Schelde Ale
Hi N8. How did this yeast turn out for you ramping up to 75 degrees? I just tapped a keg of De Koninck-ish and was really expecting more character out of it. During the 22C ferment I did there was a great aroma out of the primary, sweet spice vanilla/cinnamon. Smelled fantastic. Now, although its still a good beer, I don't taste any of this. Did a Blond today and thought I'd set it up for 24C/75F to kick more character out of it. Thanks.
SteveG
02/09/07 10:38 AM  
Re: New Wyeast Strain - Belgian Schelde Ale
Ed, are those flavors you would normally associate with DeKoninck? I've never done a bottle but I did git me a bolleke last time in Antwerp. I have to say I was underwhelmed, there was really nothing there in the way of detailed character. A sweet spice vanilla/cinnamon thing would certainly have been welcomed. If you are taking steps to clone this beer I'm not so sure your somewhat disappointing results would be all that much of a surprise. Its possible you nailed it!
Ed
02/09/07 04:46 PM  
Re: New Wyeast Strain - Belgian Schelde Ale
Yeah, your right Steve. De Koninck , while I like the beer, doesn't have the sweet spice vanilla/cinnamon thing. It's just when I smelled that wonderful aroma coming out of the primary I got my hopes up and thought it would be fairly evident in the brew. Oh well, I set the Blond at 24C and it smells a little stronger, we'll see. Should still be a good brew.
N8
02/09/07 04:59 PM  
Re: New Wyeast Strain - Belgian Schelde Ale
De Koninck is a very subtle beer. It's almost a lager in the delicacy of it's flavor profile.

The Schelde yeast strain is along these lines. I got the same aromatic ferment, but the resulting brews are as subtle as the real King. It's not a strain if you're looking for the strong Belgian characteristics usually associated with the style.

Ed
02/09/07 06:03 PM  
Re: New Wyeast Strain - Belgian Schelde Ale
Thanks N8. It is a subtle strain. Sure is deceiving when that great aroma comes through during ferment and then none of it shows in the finished product. Still makes a nice brew.
 
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