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12/16/06 09:39 AM  
Who's in?...2007 Big Beers Belgians & Barlywine Co
Hi All

Who's in?

It's a first for me, I will be entering BPA in C16 (glory and a Vegas Package would be nice but I'll settle for constructive feedback)

AHA sponsored comp. Open to all. Entries Due December 31, 2006. Judging January 5-6 2007.

Categories (pre-2006 guidelines)

Category 5 - Bock

Category 9E - Strong Scotch Ale

Category 12C - Baltic Porter

Category 13F - Russian Imperial Stout

Category 14C - Imperial IPA

Category 15C - Weizenbock

Category 16 - Belgian & French Ale

Category 17 - Sour Ale

Category 18 - Belgian Strong Ale

Category 19 - Strong Ale

Category 23 - Specialty Beer (Minimum Gravity of 1.050)

Category 26B - Braggot

URL For entry details: (forum URL block, do the www thing at beginning) bigbeersfestival.com/brews_homebrew_competition.htm

12/21/06 02:15 PM  
Re: Who's in?...2007 Big Beers Belgians & Barlywin
Short notice for me, but I did find one I do want to enter. I have a baltic I wanted to compete with so I went looking. Check out what I found!



Lincolnshire, IL, US

12/21/06 03:58 PM  
Re: Who's in?...2007 Big Beers Belgians & Barlywin
I sent my entries last week. I'll be entering a triple, saison, beire de gard and a strong golden. FedEx tried to deliver it yesterday but no one was there at the address they told us to send it to so they'll try today again. I emailed the coordinators that they have a problem with accepting deliveries. It should also be a big pain for deliveries with the major snow storm that hit Colorado.
12/21/06 04:17 PM  
Re: Who's in?...2007 Big Beers Belgians & Barlywin

That's great that you brew enough to have 3 styles ready to go. Kewl!

I mailed mine today UPS 3day delivery (living on the edge) and made sure they they marked the package "leave if no response".

Your right the snow is a pain and it would bite if it makes it on time only to get buried by a snowplow :)


Do you have an info. link?

12/22/06 07:29 AM  
Re: Who's in?...2007 Big Beers Belgians & Barlywin
I do but the page currently just has a big club logo and a "come back soon" message. I is a couple moths away still though. I'll be staying on top of it...
Dave I
12/22/06 09:06 AM  
Re: Who's in?...2007 Big Beers Belgians & Barlywin
Steve, what kind of a Baltic did you make (recipe-wise, if you are willing to divulge such secrets)? I am making one in a few weeks, probably the Northern Brewer recipe with Bavarian Lager yeast. I made it before with Munich Lager yeast and it was great. It is for my wife to drink after our first baby is born this summer; it is the only beer she has ever asked for by name. I am thinking of going 1/2 Munich and 1/2 Vienna, or all Munich for base malt, but will probably stay with the 5 lbs. Durst Pilsner, 4 lbs. Durst Vienna, 4 lbs. Durst Munich, 1 lbs. Durst Dark Munich formula. It is wicked-good, even if it is not an original recipe.

I should re-submit my High OG Rochefort clone. Considering the judges asked if it was a barleywine on my results sheet and said it was inappropriate for the Belgian Dark Strong Ale, and I fixed my (lack of)carbonation problem, it might do fairly well.


12/22/06 09:31 AM  
Re: Who's in?...2007 Big Beers Belgians & Barlywin
I don't have the recipe handy, but I was going for a chocolaty porter with a bit of wood aging. I used a lager yeast, I think it was WL Octoberfest (or whatever yeast they sell optimized for an Ofest). The two big point with it were applying cold mashing to the dark grains and replacing the the actual dark grains with de-husked Carafa II (I think it was II not I) malt. A tough style I think, but I can say that I was delighted with this one.
01/13/07 09:18 AM  
Re: Who's in?...2007 Big Beers Belgians & Barlywin
With regards to the BABBLE Brew Off, there should be information on the website in the next couple weeks. I'm on the competition commitee and we should have the rules and entry forms completed in the next few days.

We have arranged several drop off points in the Chicgoland area. The remote drop of site will accept entries 01FEB07 through the Thursday 15FEB07.

Entries can be shipped to Flatlander's 01FEB07-17FEB07 (Do not send by US Post Office, Flatlander's will reject all entries sent by US Post!).


Dan Morey

Judge Director

BABBLE Brew Off 2007

babble_brewoff at comcast.net

01/13/07 11:17 AM  
Re: Who's in?...2007 Big Beers Belgians & Barlywin
Fantastic, thanks Dan. I looked at the site just yesterday and also noticed there are no email links, just phone numbers. I almost picked up the phone, but somehow that just seemed too geeky a thing to do! Please keep me up to date, I'll even post something for you in that blue box atop the page.
01/13/07 08:13 PM  
Re: Who's in?...2007 Big Beers Belgians & Barlywin

Just recieved (1/13) an email response from 2007 BBB folks on the results of the 2007 Big Beers Belgians & Barlywine Homebrew Competition:

...I'm not sure when the web lady will be able to get them up... We were very pleased with our turn out this year - we were up 50% on our # of entries, and the overall caliber of the entries was quite high!

The judges' feedback will go out this weekend, so look for it in your mailbox mid-next week. I'm addressing packets and stuffing them this evening....Laura

no drumroll to follow

Scott Jackson
01/17/07 12:11 PM  
Re: Who's in?...2007 Big Beers Belgians & Barlywin
I enetered. I won 2 gold medals (one for Belgian Strong Dark and the other for Imperial Stout). However, in my opinion, the 2 best beers I entered did not win anything.
01/17/07 03:31 PM  
crap shootivity
The reason that I rarely ever enter contests is that there is still a significant amount of "crap shootivity" in any competition, especially concerning the Belgian styles since there is a large variance of commercial examples for any style that are all significantly different. Even the judges have a preference for a certain commercial example of any style and it influences what they consider to be the definitive beer for the style. Also their knowledge of certain styles is based on drinking examples of those styles from club members, etc. When they see those examples again in competition they gravitate toward them because that is what they’re familiar with. In a competition we are dealing with one huge variable - humans for a judge, not a robot.

In the last Franco-Belgian Challenge Cup I got a first place and a second place plus the best of show and second best of show. I entered these same beers in the Big Beers Belgians & Barleywine competition and none of them even placed. I'm really looking forward to comparing the score sheets from both competitions.

Scott Jackson
01/17/07 05:52 PM  
Re: Who's in?...2007 Big Beers Belgians & Barlywin
The subjectivity of judging isn't the only problem either. I actually judged Saisons in the competition and although we had a really wonderful one, it was in a 750ml cage and corked champagne bottle. And it was the only bottle. So while we had it at its best, by t he time it got passed up to the medal round with the other beers (Saison is a sub-set of Belgian and French Ales according to the BJCP) I am sure it was a bit flat and warm.
01/17/07 06:08 PM  
Re: Who's in?...2007 Big Beers Belgians & Barlywin
green champagne bottle or brown Belgian bottle
Scott Jackson
01/17/07 08:22 PM  
Re: Who's in?...2007 Big Beers Belgians & Barlywin
Green champagne, was it yours?
01/18/07 10:27 AM  
Re: Who's in?...2007 Big Beers Belgians & Barlywin
I would say yes. It was my Saison that got second best of show at the Franco Belgian competition. For that competition and yours I only entered one 750 for each category. Probably because this year's competition had so many more entries that, like you said, opened beers sat around too long to be considered for the medal round. I was under the impression that a second bottle was needed only for best of show. The other competition had around 65 entries and yours had around 150. So now I know that I'll have to ship twice as many 750's if I decide to enter another competition. It's getting pretty costly to ship entries for the chance to win a ribbon or medal. I use to do custom motorcycle shows in the 90's and the amount of money and time you'ld have to spend every year to win a place was absurd compared to the cheap plastic and metal trophy that was awarded. After 5 years I decided that there were better ways to spend my cash and time.

I would like to see these competitions awarding first, second and third in each sub-category in addition to first, second and third overall in the category. Then it's easy to justify sending a second bottle and more contestants would be would be happier with proper recognition in the sub-categories. When I send in a entry for a sub-category I'm sending in what I consider to be my best and that it should compete with other entries in that sub-category and then awards should be declared for first, second and third place. If the organizers want to, in additionn, have all the sub-categories compete for placement of the category - fine. But to me (and it's just my opinion) I feel cheated that both competitions only chose to award at the category level. Belgian sub-categories vary way too much to try and award only at the category level.

Just my suggestions. I am not trying to ding the organizers of either competition, which appear to be very well organized and run. However I feel that recognition should especially be awarded at the sub-category level.

01/20/07 04:50 PM  
Re: Who's in?...2007 Big Beers Belgians & Barlywin
Got my score sheets back. Steve - you did judge my Saison and gave it a 42. Thanks. All the other judges put it in the 40s also. Next time I'll enter two 750s.
01/21/07 09:46 AM  
Re: Who's in?...2007 Big Beers Belgians & Barlywin

Got my score sheets back for a BPA

Judge1 - Quals Novice: 38

Judge2 - Quals Prof. Brewer: 35

Judge2 provided most useful feedback: ..little astringent with bitterness, a little light on malt character...

I knew there was some off flavor but could not pin it down. Now that its identified as astringent I can better manage my brewing process.

This was my first belgian and only my 4th brew. I want to thank everyone on this forum for providing me with advice and encourgement.

By the way how do get ...more malt backbone...?

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