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ryan
05/02/07 05:21 PM  
I need early racking vs.prolonged yeast cake advic
Hey all

I brewed a strong golden 11 days ago SG 1.067 85% pale malt, 15% sugar and pitched onto a wyeast 1388 yeast cake.

It took off like a rocket, and has settled down but is still bubbling twice per minute. Here is the problem. I leave town for 4 weeks on friday and am debating whether to go head and rack into a secondary carboy or leave it on the cake. If I leave it, it will have spent a total of almost 6 weeks in the primary. If I rack it, I may be doing so too soon.

Which is the lesser of two evils?

thebeerdedone
05/02/07 05:30 PM  
Re: I need early racking vs.prolonged yeast cake a
Ryan,

My recent Golden Strong spent over 5 weeks in the primary, and I've brewed beers in the past that have spent over 2 months in the primary. You'll be fine. Relax, and have a homebrew!

ryan
05/02/07 06:41 PM  
Re: I need early racking vs.prolonged yeast cake a
Ok, relaxing is good advice. Thanks beerdedone. But thats not exactly what I'm going for. I'm not stressed, I'm just wondering which is the better option.

Other opinions and rationale?

cheers

SteveG
05/02/07 07:13 PM  
Re: I need early racking vs.prolonged yeast cake a
Would not aAutolysis pose a problem?
MarkM
05/02/07 09:17 PM  
Re: I need early racking vs.prolonged yeast cake a
autolysis -- has anyone ever tasted it in a beer???

I've judged at many competitions and tasted hundreds of batches of homebrew, many have had issues, but I have never tasted this. I've left beer in primary for 4 months w/o having a problem.

I know it can happen, but I think for some reason it isn't a big issue for homebrewers if we act reasonably in most other respects.

On the other side of the issue, even if you rack the yeast that has dropped out isn't doing the work anymore anyway. The yeast in the beer you rack will still keep working.

Do which ever makes you worry less. Either one works just as well, IMO.

Mike T
05/03/07 08:34 AM  
Re: I need early racking vs.prolonged yeast cake a
I would probably rack it, but first I would take a gravity reading. If you still have a considerably higher gravity than you expect for the FG then consider keeping it in primary. All bubbling indicates is that CO2 is coming out of solution, which does not necessarily mean that fermentation is happening.

In addition the warmer temperatures get the more of an issue autolysis becomes, and depending on where you live it will be getting pretty hot by the start of June.

Most likely you’ll be fine either way.

SteveG
05/03/07 09:15 AM  
Re: I need early racking vs.prolonged yeast cake a
Mark, to be honest I only know the effects of autolysis on a theoretical level. As far as I know I have never tasted it, but then 2 weeks is the most I have ever let a primary go before racking. For me, that envelope has never been pushed, so to be fair I could not say with conviction that it is a problem. I just know that "they say" its supposed to be one.
ErikH
05/03/07 12:44 PM  
Re: I need early racking vs.prolonged yeast cake a
Clearly the technical issues can be debated 'til the cows come home. But if I was in your situation, I would rack it (and of course take an SG in the process). I don't think racking now given the level of activity you indicated will have any significant effect on the FG, and I predict you will be pleasantly surprised by the hydrometer reading and will go on vacation with priceless peace of mind . . . .
ryan
05/03/07 07:23 PM  
Re: I need early racking vs.prolonged yeast cake a
thanks to all for the advice.

MarkM's point that the floc'd yeast were done anyway seemed a good one. I racked it. FG 1.007

Taste and smell are somewhat simple. Spicy but not very complex. The recipe was very straightforward 85% pale 15% sugar, hallertauer, saaz, belgian strong ale yeast (WYeast1388). Will this increase in complexity with time?

SteveG
05/03/07 09:57 PM  
Re: I need early racking vs.prolonged yeast cake a
>>Will this increase in complexity with time?<<

I think just about all beer does.

ErikH
05/04/07 07:14 PM  
Re: I need early racking vs.prolonged yeast cake a
1.007! Rock on, little yeasties!

Should put you just south of 8% ABV, yes? Heck yeah I think the secondary and bottle conditioning will make some contributions. Nice simple recipe, sounds Duvelicious . .

ryan
05/05/07 05:34 PM  
Re: I need early racking vs.prolonged yeast cake a
geez I am getting a little obsessed here checking on this post from the Caribbean, but....

Yeah, Duvelicious or maybe delirium tremmens? The latter is what I was shooting for. I'll get back to you on the turnout.

I think the FG is a little low. time time time.

must wait to taste till I get home.

 
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