Welcome to the homeBBBrew board!
Like the BBB, the homeBBBrew board is not a club, just a place to talk about making beer. Is there a swap you would like to see happen? If we can find a few others who have something similar then lets do it!

NO SPECIFIC REASON FOR THIS LINK...
I just really like the work levifunk is doing!

PASSWORD PROTECTION: READ THIS BEFORE POSTING!
YOUR BBB USERNAME AND PASSWORD WILL NOT WORK ON THIS BOARD! If you want to post, you need to read this.

HomeBBBrewBoard
HotLinks!
Brettanomyces Brewing
E-Symposium Transcript!

Trouble making Trappists?
Discover Liquid Candy Syrup!
See what color impact to expect from liquid candy.

Search for:
Page:  1 2
Author Replies
Joelle
07/03/07 10:11 AM  
What to do with Oak Chips from Vinnie
Hey guys. Dan and I want to brew a beer to infect with Vinnie's contaminated oak chips from the NHC. Any of you thought about what to do with them? My first thought was to brew our Flanders Red recipe and toss them in the secondary. Or maybe do a Belgian Blond. Did he mention what primary strain he uses for his funky brews?

Joelle

Mike T
07/03/07 10:39 AM  
Re: What to do with Oak Chips from Vinnie
The bottle log on the RR site has most of the primary strains on it, although some of them are house strains:

www.russianriverbrewing.com/pages/bottles.html

I think just about any beer you throw those chips into will be tasty in about 2 years, just keep the bitterness on the low side and you’ll be golden.

shoreman
07/03/07 12:15 PM  
Re: What to do with Oak Chips from Vinnie
Did he give out oak chips from a barrel he used or something?
Sean White
07/03/07 12:53 PM  
Re: What to do with Oak Chips from Vinnie
Don't do anything with them!!!

They are probably infected. If you send them to me I can dispose of them for you in a safe, non-hazardous way.

522 A Henry St. Apt 1

Brooklyn, NY 11231

Sean

Joelle
07/03/07 01:07 PM  
Re: What to do with Oak Chips from Vinnie
Ha! Good try Sean.

Yeah Shoreman he soaked some oak chips in a mixture of all of the funky bugs they use at RR. Then he dried them on a screen and bagged them up. We each got a dimebag of the chips for us to try.

Joelle

Cisco
07/03/07 02:04 PM  
Re: What to do with Oak Chips from Vinnie
I just emailed Vinnie to see if we can get a detailed report of just what is living on these barrel chips. I'll post his response.
SteveG
07/03/07 02:05 PM  
Re: What to do with Oak Chips from Vinnie
I waited for the second go at the presentation, there were loads left and not a real lot of people to take them. So I took 6!
shoreman
07/04/07 10:26 AM  
Re: What to do with Oak Chips from Vinnie
Steve - any chance of parting with one of them? I need bugs.
SteveG
07/04/07 10:36 AM  
Re: What to do with Oak Chips from Vinnie
Sure, I grabbed them with the intention of sharing. Use the "contact us" link to the left to send me your address.
Cisco
07/04/07 05:15 PM  
Re: What to do with Oak Chips from Vinnie
Here's Vinnie's secret potion:

"The oak chips were used in Batch 23 Damnation, which was a beer that we made to celebrate the 23rd bottling of Damnation. After the oak chips were removed from the Batch 23 Damnation (no bugs or critters in the beer), I soaked them in four strains of Brett, as well as Lacto & Pedio and our house "wild" culture. They stayed soaking for 3 or 4 weeks before I removed them and dried sun dried them on the roof of our building. From there I bagged them up. Vinnie"

So it appears to be an extensive array of critters!!

Al B
07/04/07 08:54 PM  
Re: What to do with Oak Chips from Vinnie
Oh wow Steve,

I didn't realize what ya dropped off todays were these. Thanks!

Joelle
07/05/07 10:06 AM  
Re: What to do with Oak Chips from Vinnie
Thanks for the info Cisco. One of the guys in our brew club recalled Vinnie suggesting pitching the chips into a starter to get the bugs into solution and then pouring the liquid from the starter into the secondary of whatever beer you were trying to make. Dan and I made a 1L starter last night and put our two baggies of chips in there. We're brewing our Belgian Blond base beer on Friday. Hopefully things will be taking off in the bug starter when we're ready to transfer to the secondary. I guess we'll find out how it worked in about a year!

Joelle

SteveG
07/05/07 11:19 AM  
Re: What to do with Oak Chips from Vinnie
Bug people, a one week starter sounds really short for this kind of thing. Could someone with more background comment here?
Al B
07/05/07 04:00 PM  
Re: What to do with Oak Chips from Vinnie
What I'm concerned is that these chips are a bit dry.

Microbiologically speaking, drying out bugs on a hot tin roof is not a method I would have thought to work well for future inoculations. So I would have a few back-up bugs around just in case. Well, I think they should be added to a starter to see (or smell) whats growing.......

Al B
07/05/07 10:16 PM  
Re: What to do with Oak Chips from Vinnie
OK, Added a pouch to a small starter just now........hmmm.....I don't see anything "inflating" into Godzilla yet........(whew). Wearing safety glasses, I proceeded to add another pouch of chips to a flemish red w/ cherries.........hmmmm.......carboy is startin' to simmer alittle.....(better git that fire-extinguisher just in case)....

Mike Mraz
07/06/07 04:07 PM  
Re: What to do with Oak Chips from Vinnie
I have to agree with Al B "What I'm concerned is that these chips are a bit dry"

I live only a short drive(2 hours)from Russian River.

So all my sour beer are made from the bottom of a Russian River bottle.

If you don't have any luck with the oak chips. I'm going to bottle one of my beers in a few weeks. If anyone want some of the yeast cake(crud on the bottom) I will send you some. I just ask for a little help on shipping and mabe a cold pack. I don't like shipping live yeast(beer) in the heat of the summer(it was 108F yesterday where I live)

Ryan
07/07/07 04:45 PM  
Re: What to do with Oak Chips from Vinnie
How about other ideas on what to put the bugs in?

Does everyone plan to do a primary fermentation with a standard belgian yeast and then extended secondary with the chips?

Would any Belgian style do well with these? Or stricly light in color varieties?

recipes?

methods?

Newbie?

SteveG
07/07/07 05:49 PM  
Re: What to do with Oak Chips from Vinnie
Mike - what is it you are bottling? Did you notice the thread on the "lambic-ish" swap?
Al B
07/09/07 09:40 PM  
Re: What to do with Oak Chips from Vinnie
Tonight I noticed little foam on the surface of the chip starter.....I loosened the cap.....PHSSSSSSSST- KaPOWBLAM!

Its alive - less than a week alright. A starter is not necessary right now, use a starter if stored this way for a few months..... But if yer using them soon, just chuck 'em in the seconadry.

Al Bam Biere

Joelle
07/10/07 10:33 AM  
Re: What to do with Oak Chips from Vinnie
Yeah, ours had foam on the top after 3 days or so. We were thinking about straining out the chips and pouring the 1 L starter into the secondary with our Belgian Blond after it finished the primary in about a week. Do you guys think all of the bugs from the chips would be in suspension by then, or would some of the slower growing bugs not be active yet? We wanted to limit the amount of oak flavor that would transfer over to the finished beer this way.
Al B
07/10/07 10:40 AM  
Re: What to do with Oak Chips from Vinnie
I don't know what is in Vinnie's House culture, but I would suggest to wait longer than 3 days for the slower bugs, or add a small portion of chips along with a portion of the starter. I don't think you need to add alot of the starter fluid anyway, and a few chips along for the ride should not over-oak anything.

Al

Joelle
07/10/07 10:57 AM  
Re: What to do with Oak Chips from Vinnie
By the time we were planning to add the liquid from the starter to the secondary it would have been going for about 10 days. We'll add a few chips just to be safe though.

Joelle

SteveG
07/10/07 11:04 AM  
Re: What to do with Oak Chips from Vinnie
Holy cow, I've bought yeast packs that took that long to go PHSSSSSSSST- KaPOWBLAM! Al, what does it smell like? Can you tell what stuff has come to the forefront? I ask cause there was a recent BBB thread about how long it takes brett to get involved. Also it sounds almost too good to be true that the RR mix could be so easily communicated by a bag of chips.
Al B
07/10/07 04:53 PM  
Re: What to do with Oak Chips from Vinnie
Smells like ...........oak.

But it won't stay like that for long, I suspect.

I have subcultured on some agar, I'll look at 'em under the microscope tomorrow (but I can tell already its a mix of bugs).

Joelle
07/11/07 10:22 AM  
Re: What to do with Oak Chips from Vinnie
I took a whiff of ours this morning and as Al says, "oak...lots of oak." There might be a tinge of sourness or something like red wine, but I'm probably just imagining it.

Joelle

SteveG
07/11/07 11:12 AM  
Re: What to do with Oak Chips from Vinnie
Joelle - is yours acting anything like a starter?
Al B
07/11/07 11:49 AM  
Re: What to do with Oak Chips from Vinnie
Right now there's 3-4 wild yeasts growing and lactobacillus in approximately equal quantities (yeast vs. lactobacilli). I have't incubated anaerobically, so I don't have a feel for Pediococci yet. Incubation of the starter was around 70F.

Al Bacillus

Joelle
07/11/07 12:13 PM  
Re: What to do with Oak Chips from Vinnie
Our starter (now 7 days old) has foam and bubbles on top and the airlock is bubbling, so it seems to be acting like a normal starter.

Al, when you say wild yeasts those could be strains of Brettanomyces right? It is considered a wild yeast isn't it?

Joelle

Al B
07/11/07 01:04 PM  
Re: What to do with Oak Chips from Vinnie
<<when you say wild yeasts those could be strains of Brettanomyces right? It is considered a wild yeast isn't it?

Correct, although it may be part of Vinnie's house "wild" culture as well. I don't know what else is in the house culture - perhaps Kloeckera, other species of Saccharomyces, yadda yadda yadda, etc. etc.

Brewtoomuch
07/11/07 08:42 PM  
Re: What to do with Oak Chips from Vinnie
Steve, new to the site , would love to get a hold of some chips here on the east coast. Let me know if at all possible. Great site found a another place to spend more beer time.
shoreman
07/12/07 01:03 PM  
Re: What to do with Oak Chips from Vinnie
Thanks for steve hooking me up with the chips.

I'm a first time lambic/sour brewer, but have been brewing for a while.

I'm thinking about brewing the lambic recipe in Wild Brews sans Turbid mash and using pale wheat instead and organic two row. I have aged organic hallertau hops and would make a started with the oak. Age for two years in plastic with a few of those oak chips- I do have some glass too, is plastic ok? I also have some medium french oak cubes that I may soak and use.

Does this sound alright?

40% wheat 60% pale

aged hallertau hops

about 1.056 SG

  Page:  1 2
Return to Forum

Post a Reply
Your Name:
Subject:
Message Body:


 
   
Username

Password

Around Bruges in 80 Beers: 2nd Edition

Around London in 80 Beers

Around Brussels in 80 Beers


Babblebelt contributors in attendance: