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SteveG
07/07/07 10:20 AM  
Any interest in a 'lambic-ish' swap?
Ryans posts got me thinking. I have something that by some definition might be considered a lambic, or at least the Landing, NJ version (maybe I should call it a "landbic"!). Does anyone else? Swapping ambient beers would be awesome, but I doubt enough of us would have one of those. So lets open it up to include beers made by innoculation. Not so much Flanders reds, more like pale, gueuze-like thangs. Anyone?
Ryan
07/07/07 11:30 AM  
Re: Any interest in a 'lambic-ish' swap?
If you give me two years...I'm in. :)

Hey, does anyone have a culture of bugs in wood chips that they'd be willing to share? I'm wondering if the Vinnie C.

experience might motivate others to do likewise?

Ryan

Brendan
07/07/07 12:10 PM  
Re: Any interest in a 'lambic-ish' swap?
I just dumped a bunch of plambic that turned to vinegar.

there might be some beers that would fit the bill though.

I'd be interested.

Al B
07/07/07 12:19 PM  
Re: Any interest in a 'lambic-ish' swap?
I have several wood cube/chip w/ bugs going right now.

1 - Flemish red wood (B. lambicus, clausenii, Jolly Pumpkin Brett isolate, various Lactobacilli, Pediococcus and Oenococcus oenii) - currently stored in refridge, some to be used in a secondary for an Oud Brune brewed yesterday. Will have extra.

2 - Vinnies wood chips in a starter

3 - Lambic (1 yr old) - (WY lambic blend, clausenii, WL Bretts)

4 - Lambic (3 months) - (WL sour blend, Fantome Brett isolate, Jolly pumpkin Brett isolate, Kombucha tea cultures, WY B. lambicus)

5 - Steve's ambient slurry

Al Bughouse

Dsanborn
07/07/07 12:40 PM  
Re: Any interest in a 'lambic-ish' swap?
I've got a carboy that needs to be bottled (or dumped or moved) very soon so I may have something.

Let me taste it first - it's been in there since 2004/5

cheers, scamborn

N8
07/07/07 01:53 PM  
Re: Any interest in a 'lambic-ish' swap?
I've got a ambient fermenting lambic that is about 8 months in a barrel.

Spose I could pull some off and bottle it for an ambient thing.

'Twould be fun, me thinks.

Al, I've got a Saison brewed with the Fantome bugs you sent me. Sure does smell purty.

Al B
07/07/07 02:44 PM  
Re: Any interest in a 'lambic-ish' swap?
I've learned that the Fantome brett gits more horsey as time goes by.

By da way, N8.......I'm lining up some bottles for Oregon......

N8
07/07/07 08:10 PM  
Re: Any interest in a 'lambic-ish' swap?
SaWeet!!

Getting things lined up here as well.

18 days and counting...

mikehahn
07/08/07 01:38 AM  
Re: Any interest in a 'lambic-ish' swap?
Hi, I have Kriek,Framboise,and Gueuze. I would be interested. mike

Brendan
07/09/07 03:45 PM  
Re: Any interest in a 'lambic-ish' swap?
I have something, but it is on its way to be carbonated. It might need a month, or more, unfortunately.

SteveG
07/09/07 03:58 PM  
Re: Any interest in a 'lambic-ish' swap?
A month isn't so bad. You could always ship it early, getting the beers in hand is a big step towards making swap sessions happen.
WitSok
07/09/07 09:33 PM  
Re: Any interest in a 'lambic-ish' swap?
I have a Framboise with a mixture of bugs from Cantillon, Oud Beersel, Rodenbach, Orval, and Wyeast Lambic blend. I brewed it in Nov 2004. Like all my wild brews, it is too acetic in my opinion and the carbonation low. It also has a salty note that I have observed in other attempts. I believe the plastic bucket I was using allowed too much oxygen. No more plastic buckets for me!

If you game, and aren't afraid to give me brutal feedback, I'd be willing to kick in.

Cheers,

Dan

MarkO
07/10/07 12:56 PM  
Re: Any interest in a 'lambic-ish' swap?
you can count me in as well, I have a couple of possibilities (but only one ambiently fermented item of 15-months age). I would love to taste what other folks are doing.
SteveG
07/10/07 01:51 PM  
Re: Any interest in a 'lambic-ish' swap?
I was hoping you were going to chime in - you're the only other ambient brewer I know of. No question there are enough people interested - MarkO, Witsok, Brendan - can you guys email me? I need your addresses to start the ball rolling. You can use the "contact us" link in the left menu.
SteveG
07/10/07 03:43 PM  
Re: Any interest in a 'lambic-ish' swap?
Man, we might be at 8 people here. Brendan, 2-3 weeks is the absolute soonest this could possibly happen, and with this vacation season and all that seems a stretch. So I think mid to later August is a pretty workable time frame. Sounds like that could work for you? Dave, if you are in please let me know ASAP. With 8 people we might want to look at splitting this up into 2 sessions (Brendan, we could always put you in the second one to give your brew another week or two).

Question: if we really are 8 then thats a good amount of shipping. Would there be any interest in seeing if a professional guest would be interested in taking part? Its always a cool thing to do, but that does mean an extra package for everyone.

MarkO
07/10/07 04:12 PM  
Re: Any interest in a 'lambic-ish' swap?
Just sent my address -- looking forward to it. I think a pro's participation would be very much welcome.

Mike Mraz
07/11/07 01:47 PM  
Re: Any interest in a 'lambic-ish' swap?
I have beer I could send. It is a belgian pale ale that was innoculated with a few bottles of Temptation from RussianRiver.

SteveG
07/11/07 01:51 PM  
Re: Any interest in a 'lambic-ish' swap?
Mike, is yours more pale ale or bug beer?
Brendan
07/11/07 07:18 PM  
Re: Any interest in a 'lambic-ish' swap?
Later August seems totally do-able. I will post a pick. My bottles are really sick right now. the top 1/2 inch of the beer has all sorts of stuff hanging in there. Also, I have a brown that is a blend of two 15.5 gallon sour beers i was doing at the BOP I worked at, (closed a few months ago.) One was fermented with a mix of us-56 and Brett/ the other was a bit of us-56 with spent and fresh grains and some (not on purpose) sour beer we had on tap at the BOP left to sit in a growler for a few days. The two have been blended, aged in a bucket for a month or two and is in a 5 gal keg.

I can save that for the next swap.

Also, my being in a later bracket isn't a problem at all either. I can't wait!

mikehahn
07/13/07 01:31 AM  
Re: Any interest in a 'lambic-ish' swap?
Hi Steve, I'm not sure if you have my new e-mail address. If not, here you go: fivehahns@msn.com thanks for including me in these things mike
MarkO
07/13/07 05:29 PM  
Re: Any interest in a 'lambic-ish' swap?
A couple of questions about swaps:

How many bottles do you typically send to each participant?

and,

What company do you use to ship (I have never tried to ship beer before).

Thanks,

Mark

SteveG
07/13/07 10:00 PM  
Re: Any interest in a 'lambic-ish' swap?
MarkO, we only send on bottle of the relivant beer. Sometime people add something else in the box, something regional that the other participants could not usually find. And sometime people toss in other homebrew bottles. I like to establish up front what people feel like doing, though there are enough people participating here that I think one bottle is the best answer. There's already plenty of shipping involved.

I have recieve bottles from the UPSP, FedEx and UPS. They all frown on shipping alcohol so I taint the truth when they ask why the fragile stamp. Sometimes I say yeast samples, sometimes gourmet vinegar. For this swap either would work just fine!

Mike Mraz
07/14/07 03:19 AM  
Re: Any interest in a 'lambic-ish' swap?
Steve it is way more a bug beer, the only thing left in the beer is a little hint of malt. It is nice and sour :) But not over the top.
SteveG
07/17/07 02:20 PM  
Re: Any interest in a 'lambic-ish' swap?
Hey Brendan, you're in but I need your info again. I can't believe I didn't hang on to what you sent earlier, my apologies.
Brendan
07/17/07 04:41 PM  
Re: Any interest in a 'lambic-ish' swap?
No worries, and sure thing...

ioniaales at gmail ioniaales.com is the blog.

WitSok
08/23/07 10:12 AM  
Re: Any interest in a 'lambic-ish' swap?
Thanks everyone, great swap! I'm very interested in trying an ambient ferment. Has there been a thread before on the process? I'd love to get some insite MarkO and SteveG. I was think of innoculating a smaller starter from ambient, and then using that to pitch into a larger batch. When (if) I get a good batch, then oak chip could be added to be the bug store for future batches ala Vinnie's chips.

Again good brews.

Cheers,

Dan

SteveG
08/23/07 02:25 PM  
Re: Any interest in a 'lambic-ish' swap?
Glad you were involved Dan. I think the best insight I can offer is if you are going to go spontaneous first try to optimize your timing. For me, November/December works. Before then and there can still be acetic bacteria floating around to ruin the batch. And you want fermentation (which will be SLOW) to be well along if not complete by the time the bacteria comes back. So the question you must answer is "when does the safe season start?". When you have figured that out, brew as close to the start of that season as possible.
MarkO
08/23/07 04:30 PM  
Re: Any interest in a 'lambic-ish' swap?
I'll second the awesome swap call -- it was great to taste all the interesting things people are doing all over the US. I'm inspired to try some new stuff after last night.

And Steve is spot on about timing these things; I seem to get good results from the end of October through March, any time before or after that and there are all sorts of problems (but including the same one -- five gallons of pure vinegar).

I do think you are pretty much guaranteed to dump a few batches if you try this. I've poured out two this year.

One thing I would also suggest, if you go with no starter and just leaving it out open for a night or two, is (as Steve also said), that the fermentations can be very very slow to start (at least visibly). I had one that seemed to wait 6 weeks before I saw anything happen, and others that have fired up within days.

If you live in an area with lots of fruit production, that might give you a leg up too.

It's all really a big crap shoot, but with some identifiable lessons to learn. I am cursed with trying it over and over again, because the first one I tried 3 years ago was very very good, and I have never been able to get it to that level again!

 
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