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thimbledrome
08/27/07 01:15 PM  
Brett, plastics, and sanitation
I've tried to check around to make sure this topic hasn't been covered here and I haven't seen this specific issue. But I'm wondering if anyone has any hard evidence (or experience) with regard to how to go about sanitizing plastics that have contained brett beers. Specifically, is there a guaranteed method for ridding say a plastic bottling bucket of brett after using it for bottling a brett beer? I plan to have dedicated hoses so those are not an issue. But I'd prefer not to have a second bottling bucket, mainly because storage space is tight for me. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
BPotts
08/27/07 01:28 PM  
Re: Brett, plastics, and sanitation
There was a couple of more recent threads on this topic that may be towards the bottom of the list....
WitSok
08/27/07 01:38 PM  
Re: Brett, plastics, and sanitation
Why use a bottling bucket? I've been brewing 15 years and I'v always bottled from the fermenter. You could save space by eliminating the bottling bucket.

Get a good stainless steel racking cane. Use good cleaning techniques and oven heat to eliminate an brett contaminating other batches.

Cheers,

Dan

SteveG
08/27/07 01:38 PM  
Re: Brett, plastics, and sanitation
thimbledrome, I'm not so sure what you want is attainable. I would think of all the components of brewing the most susceptible to contanination would be the bucket. My understanding is that is because contamentents can really set up shop in a scratch. Can you bottle out of glass?
Al B
08/27/07 01:40 PM  
Re: Brett, plastics, and sanitation
Thimbledrome,

There is no guarantee using contact sanitizers - particularly if the plastic is scratched.....but if the bucket is heat-stable, you could add boiling water as part of sanitization and cross your fingers.

thimbledrome
08/27/07 01:53 PM  
Re: Brett, plastics, and sanitation
Witsok (or anyone else), how do you bottle directly from the fermenter? I've never heard of anyone doing that. If I could do that, that would pretty much solve my problem.
Cisco
08/27/07 02:04 PM  
Re: Brett, plastics, and sanitation
Just insert a racking cane in the fermenter with a hose and bottle filler wand attached. You will need to keep separate racking canes, tubing and bottle fillers for your regular beers and your buggy beers.
thimbledrome
08/27/07 02:09 PM  
Re: Brett, plastics, and sanitation
<<Just insert a racking cane in the fermenter with a hose and bottle filler wand attached. You will need to keep separate racking canes, tubing and bottle fillers for your regular beers and your buggy beers.>>

Will the beer not drain out of the tube back into the fermenter rather than into your bottles? Is there any secret to keeping it from doing this?

Cisco
08/27/07 02:25 PM  
Re: Brett, plastics, and sanitation
Fill the tubing with sanitizer and then connect it to the racking cane and the bottle filler - you'll have to hold the hose in a U shape so that the liquid stays in the tubing. Then push down on the bottle filler in a bucket until beer starts to flow - this will start the siphon process. You have to have the fermenter (up on a counter) higher than where you are bottling.
Baums
08/27/07 02:56 PM  
Re: Brett, plastics, and sanitation
when bottling out of the primary there is also the question of priming. One way is to stir a priming solution into your fermenter as carefully as possible (so as not to stir up too much yeast). I have done this with no problems, but it's not my standard method.

Another way is to bottle-prime, putting a measured amount of sugar into each bottle. 48 bottles can be primed in 2-3 minutes with a funnel. I do not know whether sugar really needs to be sanitized--but I don't really care because if you sanitize bottles in the oven like I do, it's no big deal to just prime the bottles BEFORE oven-santizing. That way the sugar gets sanitized too.

If you want to try this, use a dry heat sterilization time/temp (specs available at howtobrew.com) that does not take the bottles over 300F, or else the sucrose may melt. I think dextrose will melt at even lower temps and so I haven't tried using it. Also do an experiment with just one bottle in the oven to make sure your oven doesn't run hot or something. 284F for 4 hours is a good way to go.

SteveG
08/27/07 03:49 PM  
Re: Brett, plastics, and sanitation
>>Will the beer not drain out of the tube back into the fermenter rather than into your bottles? Is there any secret to keeping it from doing this?<<

Yes, don't loose suction. But why would anyone want to do this?

Cisco
08/27/07 04:48 PM  
Re: Brett, plastics, and sanitation
" But why would anyone want to do this?"

thimble drone said it was to save money and space so he didn't have to buy another plastic bottling bucket.

Seriously though, if you're going to start brewing with bugs then you really need to take your equipment seriously and have dedicated equipment for buggy beer and normal beer. Otherwise eventually all you'll be able to brew is buggy beer, even when not by choice and it will take quite a while before you start noticing your clean beers becoming slowly infected and by then ALL of your equipment will be suspect and you'll have no choice but to buy all new equipment. So do you buy a new bottling bucket now or wait till you're forced to buy all new brewing equipment?????

WitSok
08/27/07 05:35 PM  
Re: Brett, plastics, and sanitation
As for bottling from the fermenter:

>>Will the beer not drain out of the tube back into the fermenter rather than into your bottles? Is there any secret to keeping it from doing this?<<

I don't understand why this would happen. Whether you bottle from the fermenter or bottling bucket, the bottle must be below the level of the beer. I have picnic faucet on the end or the hose to stop flow, use can also use a bottling wand. Either can you need something to start and stop flow. The only difference bottling from the fermenter is starting a siphon - but you probably need to do that to fill you bucket.

It is easy to prime each bottle, this is my normal procedure. Usually 4/3-1 tsp corn sugar per 12 oz bottle. If you are bottling from secondary or tertiary, there should not be a huge amount of sediment. I would not be overly concerned with adding priming sugar to the fermenter and stiring gently. If concerned, rack to another fermenter with the bottling sugar and then bottle from there.

The only seperate equipment I keep: racking cane, hoses, rubber stoppers, airlocks, picnic faucet, and starter equipment (I haven't used my stir plate and stirrer on any sour beers). Before I had my SS conical fermenter, I used the same glass carboys for regular beers and sour beers. I have not had a cross contamination problem. Just clean well, and use iodophor. Heck I don't even keep seperate bottles. I don't keg any sour beers, so I cannot comment there.

WitSok
08/27/07 05:38 PM  
Re: Brett, plastics, and sanitation
<<Usually 4/3-1 tsp corn sugar per 12 oz bottle>> That should be 3/4-1 tsp

<<Either can you need something to start and stop flow>> ???? Either way you need something to start and stop flow.

Cisco
08/27/07 05:59 PM  
Re: Brett, plastics, and sanitation
Just for clarification, stainless steel and glass are fine for both clean and buggy beer if sanitized very well. Plastic- never!
 
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