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JOEL
08/29/07 10:11 AM  
BELGIAN PALE ALE RECIPE
my recipe I am thinking of doing:

75% Belgian pale ale

20% Turbo Vienna

5% Caravienna

styrian goldings

Saaz

Belgian blend yeast 575

ANYONE HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR RECIPE

SteveG
08/29/07 01:12 PM  
Re: BELGIAN PALE ALE RECIPE
Joel, since your recipe makes good sense I think there is only one suggestion here that really counts. Brew it. When it is done taste it and decide if its right for you. Tweek as needed. The single best resouce you can have when making any style of beer is a point of reference. When you brew something once you have that. If something does not seem just as you want it you can then ask more targeted questions. Steve
shoreman
08/29/07 07:37 PM  
Re: BELGIAN PALE ALE RECIPE
Looks good to me - mine consists of:

pale malt

vienna

saaz all the way through

coriander

Chimay yeast.

It is my house beer. I am brewing it this weekend, but I'm splitting the batch - half will be fermented with the Allagash yeast and dry hopped with my homegrown cascade hops - called Hop'age.

SteveG
08/29/07 09:23 PM  
Re: BELGIAN PALE ALE RECIPE
Awesome shoreman, I'll be doing the same. At least in terms of fresh hop brewing. Monday I'm making this seasons "harvest ale", using hops from the arbour in the garden. I'm going more US pale ale, this is year 3 for the vines. I hear the 3rd year is when they really come to life...
Ross Lunato
08/29/07 10:44 PM  
Re: BELGIAN PALE ALE RECIPE
I'd change the Caravienna to Caramunich and ferment with WLP550 instead of the 575 and use Sterling in place of the

Saaz.

Baums
08/30/07 10:57 AM  
Re: BELGIAN PALE ALE RECIPE
Ross, why Sterling instead of Saaz?

I ask because after making a few beers with weird aromas I suspect Saaz is not stable enough to be consistently good after passing through all the channels that eventually lead to my local homebrew store. Have you come to similar conclusions? (Or do you just not like Saaz?)

By the way when I get Saaz (or other hops, for that matter) from a local microbrewery, the problems go away and the aroma is great... in fact for us there seems to be a very high correlation between using hops from this micro, and making our best beers.

shoreman
08/30/07 11:48 AM  
Re: BELGIAN PALE ALE RECIPE
Sounds good Steve - I got 9oz dried out of three two year plants. See here:

www.shoremanorganicales.com/?p=86

SteveG
08/30/07 12:03 PM  
Re: BELGIAN PALE ALE RECIPE
Actually I got banner crops every year, pounds were picked and many ended up just being recycled. But the flavor was not there. The first year I made an aweful beer with them, last years was better but not great. In part I attribute this to a learning process, what are the rules of fresh hop brewing? I think I have that down now, but at the NHC I mentioned all of this to a grower who told me of the "sleep, creep, leap" rule. I have seen other sources that have said it takes till the third season to get really viable crop. I guess I'll find out about that soon!!
Cisco
08/30/07 01:26 PM  
Re: BELGIAN PALE ALE RECIPE
I totally agree with Ross's suggestions. Sterling is a great substitute for Saaz and has a much higher AA and is way more stable.
Ross Lunato
08/30/07 09:14 PM  
Re: BELGIAN PALE ALE RECIPE
Damn if I wrote a response and it got lost in cyberspace…Anyway, I really like Saaz and have used it quite a bit in my homebrews. It has a very clean, spicey aroma I really like in Saisons. However, after meeting Cisco at the NHC this year, he suggested that I try Sterling. Thanks John! I really like what the Sterling brings to the table, sort of an German/American/Czech flavor/aroma and is clean like Saaz. I think it has many possibilities as a Saaz replacement. Moreover, it is grown in America and hopefully that means we can purchase properly handled Sterling hops here. As for the suspect hops, I would suggest making a hop tea with your Saaz to see if you detect the weird aroma you referred to. I have learned a lot about various hops aroma and flavor profiles by making hop teas.
shoreman
08/30/07 09:35 PM  
Re: BELGIAN PALE ALE RECIPE
While we are the subject of hops - has anyone tried out Pacific Gem in any Belgian-style beers? I've heard it is a very clean high alpha hop - similar to a fuggles or ekg. I'm not a hophead at all and just look for hops to balance out the beer. I'm about to order some from freshops.
BPotts
08/30/07 10:43 PM  
Re: BELGIAN PALE ALE RECIPE
I used some organic Pacific Gem before, but not in a Belgian...Got it from seven bridges....Wasn't too impressed (I had high hopes, I've read they can have black currant-esque aromas/flavors) It's better as just a bittering, which might work well for a belgian...
 
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