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Al B
12/27/07 07:40 PM  
Re: 750 ml bottling question
According to the floor corker I just got for X-mas......2/3 of the cork should be inside + 1/3 outside for the wire cage. Thats the "rough how to". Or see Cisco for the "precise how to" !

Ryan
12/27/07 10:41 PM  
Re: 750 ml bottling question
How about cork sizes for used chimay, ommegang, maredsous bottles?

Ross
12/28/07 11:05 AM  
Re: 750 ml bottling question
Get the corks for the bottles you mentioned from More Beer. Cisco did the research for those particular corks.
Ryan
12/28/07 12:28 PM  
Re: 750 ml bottling question
not only did he do the research, but he's quoted on the site.

:)

I guess what I'm asking is whether the stock champagne corks that came with the floor croker will work with 750 bottles.

Cisco
12/28/07 12:45 PM  
Re: 750 ml bottling question
The stock champagne corks will work but are actually too large in diameter and will break some bottles upon insertion.
Ryan
12/28/07 04:14 PM  
Re: 750 ml bottling question
They still work for old champagne bottles presumably.

Yeah?

Cisco
12/28/07 07:21 PM  
Re: 750 ml bottling question
I have personally seen even proper champagne bottle necks break while inserting champagne corks. There really is no need to use the over sized champagne corks, Belgian beers have very high carbonation levels and some as much as true champagne and they still use the smaller Belgian corks in regular Belgian brown bottles and in green champagne bottles with no leakage.
ErikH
12/29/07 01:51 PM  
Re: 750 ml bottling question
Agreed 100% about the champagne corks. Any bottle that would take one - barring maybe jeroboams and other monstrosities - will happily accept a 'belgian-style' 1" diameter cork.

As I linked to in a prior thread on this, I have broken bottle necks trying to put the champagne corks in them. Here again for your delectation (or amusement) are the images:

ninthave.blogs.friendster.com/photos/corker/

Note, though, that 'right-sized' corks are not shown in any of the images - this was before I connected with the Cisco/MoreBeer axis and got on track. Those shown are either too large (Champagne) or too small (wine), so this is really best seen as a 'what not to do' gallery . . .

Ryan
12/29/07 03:13 PM  
Re: 750 ml bottling question
why on earth does the corker come with these corks then?

Seems lame.

Cisco
12/29/07 05:38 PM  
Re: 750 ml bottling question
I have never heard of corks coming with the floor corker. Might be the shop you bought them from is trying to get rid of them.
Ryan
12/29/07 06:03 PM  
Re: 750 ml bottling question
Hmm

these say LD Carlson champagne corks

28.5 X 47 mm

too big?

Cisco
12/29/07 07:14 PM  
Re: 750 ml bottling question
I'd recommend using them for cat toys. Just put them in a bag of catnip for a few days before using them.
Ryan
12/29/07 08:49 PM  
Re: 750 ml bottling question
I kill cats on sight

Cisco
12/30/07 06:30 PM  
Re: 750 ml bottling question
I kill cat killers on sight. Stay out of my line of fire!
Ryan
12/30/07 09:26 PM  
Re: 750 ml bottling question
Ooh Cisco....

sorry. didn't mean to touch a nerve.

:)

Cisco
12/31/07 12:22 PM  
Re: 750 ml bottling question
Just joking back at you!

Happy New Year everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Narvin
01/23/08 10:19 AM  
Re: 750 ml bottling question
"But once I raise the lever up and the cork decompresses, it's kind of annoying to get the rest of the cork out of the chamber. Do you just twist it out, or do you have some slicker method?"

I know what you're talking about. This may not be a problem with a champagne corker, but it is with my normal Ferrari floor corker and the b3 belgian corks.

The solution is... don't raise the lever up : ) You'll have to pull up a tad on that bottom piece with the spring to allow the bottle plate to move, since it's normally locked when the lever is down. I usually do this with my foot and then push down on the bottle quickly to get it out. Works fine.

Ryan
01/23/08 11:22 AM  
Re: 750 ml bottling question
Okay

here is my beef, I can't get that damn nut screwed up far enough to plunge the corks in sufficiently. The paint won't let me back it off.

Has anyone else had this issue and if so, what did you do? cut it off?

mallace
01/23/08 11:32 AM  
Re: 750 ml bottling question
Narvin, you're a genius. I never thought of tripping that lever manually. Thanks!
Cisco
01/23/08 12:04 PM  
Re: 750 ml bottling question
Ryan - take a small metal file and clean the paint out of the threads. That's what I had to do. I used a craftsman needle file set.
Ross
01/23/08 01:11 PM  
Re: 750 ml bottling question
If you know any machinists, you can ask them for a tool called a Thread File.
Ryan
01/23/08 01:33 PM  
Re: 750 ml bottling question
Sweet

thanks

r

tankdeer
05/09/08 02:24 PM  
Re: 750 ml bottling question
Here's a question, I have the cheaper Portuguese floor corker, and have been playing with trying to use it in this same manner. It has the same issues noted above

<<But once I raise the lever up and the cork decompresses, it's kind of annoying to get the rest of the cork out of the chamber. Do you just twist it out, or do you have some slicker method?>>

I think on mine, the opening below the iris might be smaller than that of the Ferrari corkers.

So, I am considering upgrading to the Ferrari. But have a question. It seems it's only a few bucks more for the Champagne version, which appears to have an extra piece specifically to accommodate this issue. Is it worth the few extra dollars to get the Champagne corker, or is it just going to provide more headaches?

Thanks

tankdeer
05/09/08 02:52 PM  
Re: 750 ml bottling question
UPDATE: It appears to be about $10 difference after shipping. So, is it worth 10 bucks for the Champagne vs standard?
Cisco
05/09/08 04:28 PM  
Re: 750 ml bottling question
Yes it is worth it. I have always used the Ferrari champagne corker. It can handle most bottle and cork sizes. You only need to have one corker to do it all!!
Cisco
05/09/08 04:29 PM  
Re: 750 ml bottling question
Also be sure to buy the extra capper attachment that fits on the head.
WitSok
05/09/08 05:12 PM  
Re: 750 ml bottling question
<<But once I raise the lever up and the cork decompresses, it's kind of annoying to get the rest of the cork out of the chamber. Do you just twist it out, or do you have some slicker method?>>

I too have the Portuguese floor corker. It is a bit annoying, but in general you can get the bottle out fairly easily. I've only once had the cork come out while trying to remove the bottle.

tankdeer
05/09/08 05:14 PM  
Re: 750 ml bottling question
Cool. it's 119 shipped for the regular italian corker and only 129 for the champagne one. seems like a no brainer.

regarding the capper attachment, i hear it doesn't work so well. and frankly, i have never had any issue with my two handle capper. not that i use it all that often anymore since I mostly keg, but when i do it works like a charm. plus, it was free. :-)

tankdeer
05/09/08 05:21 PM  
Re: 750 ml bottling question
<<<<But once I raise the lever up and the cork decompresses, it's kind of annoying to get the rest of the cork out of the chamber. Do you just twist it out, or do you have some slicker method?>>

I too have the Portuguese floor corker. It is a bit annoying, but in general you can get the bottle out fairly easily. I've only once had the cork come out while trying to remove the bottle. >>

Ah-ha, ok. Finally somebody with the exact same corker doing the same thing. seems everybody has the Italian version. Well, perhaps I'll play with it more. I posted the Portuguese on craigslist so if it sells, I'll upgrade to the Italian. If not, well then I'll play a lot more with it and see what I can do.

Witsok, generally how much cork do you leave hanging out? Do you use the #7 stopper on the plunger trick? I was messing around with that the other day. Any other general tricks I need to know to make this easier on me, or is it just a trial and error type of thing?

WitSok
05/09/08 05:28 PM  
Re: 750 ml bottling question
Too be honest, I just eye ball it. I try to leave about 5/8-3/4" (15-19 mm) exposed. Seems to me the #7 stopper would be too tall, leaving to much cork exposed.

I'd have to cork a bottle to confirm, but as I recall, I usually stop when the adjustable stop on the plunger is about 1/4 inch above the iris.

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