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BPotts
01/09/08 11:36 PM  
Terminal gravity of saison dupont & others
Does anybody know the terminal gravity saison dupont reaches? A general range for commercial saisons?
mallace
01/10/08 07:09 AM  
Re: Terminal gravity of saison dupont & others
I want to say it goes down to about 1.006; I hope I'm not exaggerating. Farmhouse Ales goes into a great deal of detail on Dupont.
Cisco
01/10/08 09:55 AM  
Re: Terminal gravity of saison dupont & others
The strain that White Labs sells of this yeast will eventually go down to a low FG BUT it may take two months in the fermenter. This has been a major complaint of everyone to White Labs for years. It's just not the right strain or combination of strains to ferment normally even when heated to 90F.
BPotts
01/10/08 10:31 AM  
Re: Terminal gravity of saison dupont & others
FHA is the one book in the series I DON'T have....I was wondering because i've been using the 3711 saison yeast for the past two months and haven't taken a FG reading until yesterday. The first one I made someone tried to tell me there were still residuals, but I disagreed and said it was the yeast character, so I figured I'd check this bottling round. My herbal saison was down to 1.01, which is not 1.006, but I guess is still acceptable for traditional saisons?
Baums
01/10/08 10:43 AM  
Re: Terminal gravity of saison dupont & others
My hydrometer is off by 4 points--yours might be too...
Jim Denier
01/10/08 10:48 AM  
Re: Terminal gravity of saison dupont & others
After struggling with that WL Saison strain in the past, I tried the WY 3711 and was thrilled to watch the wort attenuate from 1.060 to 1.007 in just over 1 week!
BPotts
01/10/08 11:00 AM  
Re: Terminal gravity of saison dupont & others
I'll have to check that Baums!
BPotts
01/10/08 11:05 AM  
Re: Terminal gravity of saison dupont & others
4 points? That's pretty far off...
ErikH
01/10/08 01:42 PM  
Re: Terminal gravity of saison dupont & others
BP, would recommend check other saison threads and WY3724/WL565 threads for more info on this. That strain certainly has a reputation as an aggressive attenuator under the right conditions. And for the love of God, you owe it to yourself to buy FHA, particularly with your brewing history and taste (Dupont strain Tripel, etc)!

My own experiences with SD bottle-cultured and WY/WL versions of the SD strain have varied, running:

1.054-1.008 (85% aa) extract SD clone

1.058-1.008 (86% aa) all-grain SD clone

1.059-1.004 (93% aa) all grain Grisette 25% wheat

1.096-1.015 (84% aa) all-grain Bons Voeux-inspired

Hydrometer error, of course, could always be a factor . . .

BPotts
01/10/08 01:52 PM  
Re: Terminal gravity of saison dupont & others
I know, I know....I'll get it soon......

So my last one at least was slightly above average for a saison i guess, but I also fermented it at a very cool temp for this yeast (60-62). Although, I'm surprised at how well it does ferment that low...

The american hop saison I just brewed I brought upstairs to ferment at higher temps once again...it reached 76 at one point during fermentation...will be nice to compare to the last few which I fermented cool...

BPotts
01/10/08 01:55 PM  
Re: Terminal gravity of saison dupont & others
BTW, a few point as in 1.09-1.05, or 1.099-1.095?
Ross
01/10/08 02:56 PM  
Re: Terminal gravity of saison dupont & others
Ask and you shall recieve. The hallmark of great saisons are their rustic charm and dry finish resulting from high degrees of attenuation. I've personally measured the final gravities on just about every Belgian saison produced. They all finish between 1.001 - 1.007. Never any higher than 1.007, even the Best Wishes saison from Dupont finishes at 1.002. Dry as a bone.

Saison Dupont finishes at 1.004

BPotts
01/10/08 03:12 PM  
Re: Terminal gravity of saison dupont & others
Thanks for the details Ross, I was waiting for you to chime in.

I did just check my hydrometer, which is off about -2 to -4 pts (seems to be settling at about .996-.998). So with that correction from 1.01, the gravity of the saison I bottled last night was roughly 1.008-1.006 pretty damn dry for an extract brew!

Ross
01/10/08 03:28 PM  
Re: Terminal gravity of saison dupont & others
Are you kidding? That's DAMNED dry for an extract! Great going!
BPotts
01/10/08 03:31 PM  
Re: Terminal gravity of saison dupont & others
Wait a minute....maybe I'm backwards....I guess that means it was really 1.012-1.014...not as dry as I thought.....
BPotts
01/10/08 03:33 PM  
Re: Terminal gravity of saison dupont & others
Because at 1.01, it's 2-4 points BELOW where it should be at that temp, right?
Ross
01/10/08 06:46 PM  
Re: Terminal gravity of saison dupont & others
Your hydrometer reads .996 - .998 which is .002 -.004 below the actual of 1.000. So, your reading of 1.007 is actually .002 - .004 below the actual which in this case is 1.007 + .002 = 1.009, and 1.007 + .004 = 1.011.

Your actual is 1.009 - 1.011

RonH
01/10/08 09:04 PM  
Re: Terminal gravity of saison dupont & others
I had 3711 drop from 1.062 to 1.005 in a month (didn't bother checking it until then). My one experience with the dupont strain went to 1.004 from a similar SG. Time and temperature seem to do the trick. Of course mashing low can help too. The 3711 tastes much higher than it measures as others have mentioned. I also followed the lead of another thread and emailed Wyeast about 3711, they quickly responded saying it is likely to become more available soon due to the positive response.
neonmeate
01/11/08 02:14 AM  
Re: Terminal gravity of saison dupont & others
my hydrometer is accurate and i can tell you that 3711 got my last brew down from 1057 to 1001... all malt too . however it did take three weeks to get there.

wlp565 has always been good for me, most things regardless of gravity, mash temp, or crystal malts, end up between 1000 and 1006 with that stuff for me... once i did a beer with 500g of carahell in the grist, 1087 OG and it got down to 1008 in five days. ive never had the slow finishes with 565 that everyone else is always getting.

Ross
01/11/08 11:57 PM  
Re: Terminal gravity of saison dupont & others
I really love this strain and can't wait to see how beers fermented with it age over 4 months to 1 year or even longer. One thing I've found with this strain compared to other saison strains is it does ferment very quickly if it's healthy. However, it spits out a bit of diacetyl so complete fermentation is paramount.
 
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