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Seanywonton (Sean White)
05/12/08 03:32 PM  
Re: Berliner Swap
Mike T: good job!!! that's awesome.

Tankdeer: Thanks. I would prefer to wait - really! but it is excruciating. Luckily I brewed this up with enough time to get sour before summer.

tankdeer
05/12/08 04:11 PM  
Re: Berliner Swap
Congrats Mike. That's awesome.

Sean. It'll get sour with enough time. Brewing is supposed to teach patience, right? ;-)

Baums
05/13/08 08:57 AM  
Re: Berliner Swap
Congratulations Mike--how would you describe the sourness of the beer?

Also, on the question of whether Sean's beer will get sour with time, I thought the common experience thus far was that this was not the case (unless you do a sour mash or add different bugs in some other way)... did I miss something?

Mike T
05/13/08 09:22 AM  
Re: Berliner Swap
Certainly lactic, sort of like cider mixed with tangy yogurt. If it was any more sour I think it would cross over into not being as refreshing. I have the score sheets at home, but the general comments from the judges were bright lactic acid, wheat/bread, with a hint of Brett in both the flavor and aroma. I was actually surprised how sour mine tasted next to a bottle of Bahnhof on Sunday. I think the carbonation (and maybe the warmer temperatures) really helped to accentuate the sourness because just a month ago before bottling I thought it was nowhere near sour enough.

Last night I recorded a tasting with James of this beer and a couple others for Basic Brewing Radio, as part of an episode on alternate hopping strategies, should be posted tomorrow.

CDH
05/25/08 11:37 PM  
Re: Berliner Swap
Hey all-

I took SteveG's tales of a Brett C Berliner to heart and just got one of my own brewing today. 15 Minute boil, a 60/40 grain bill with plain 2-row and a mixture of malted and unmalted wheat. The Brett C got really lively in the 2-quart starter and threw some interesting pineapple aromas just during the 10 days it was getting going. Keep me in mind for the swap in case mine's a quick finisher like SteveG's was. Don't let me hold up things if you're ready to swap before I've got palatable beer.

Best

CDH

Seanywonton (Sean White)
05/26/08 11:32 AM  
Re: Berliner Swap
I just bottled my Berlinner with 3191 up yesterday. It is starting to get nice, the brett flavors are definitely coming out. I figure it can do the rest of its souring in the bottle and as it carbonates.

Do you guys want to set a date for the swap soon? Maybe late June would be good for most people?

tankdeer
05/26/08 02:13 PM  
Re: Berliner Swap
Late June sounds fine with me. I will be bottling my 3191 berliner within the next week and my WLP001/Lacto berliner is already bottled and ready.
SteveG
05/27/08 11:45 AM  
Re: Berliner Swap
Hey gang, I've been focusing elsewhere lately, looks like its time to start paying more attention to this thread. So far it looks like:

BPotts, DrunkenPanther, Mike T, tankdeer and SAH are in and possibly Seanywonton as well. Is that right? I'm not certain yet if I'd be in, mine is cold conditioning, no effort yet to carbonate. It was not at all sour after fermenting out (unlike my first) but it might be starting to come along. I'll take a closer look tonight, see where I am...

BPotts
05/27/08 12:27 PM  
Re: Berliner Swap
Ummmm, yeah....not sure I'll have anything ready in time in either, we'll see. My first is sitting on raspberries now, only been a week (how long do people usually leave their beers on fruit, BTW??). My second "imperial" berliner came out nothing like a super strong berliner, but a bretty barleywine or something, so it would be inappropriate for this swap. My third attempt, with a brett c & b + lacto yeast cake, is promising but still quite young, maybe a month old and still sitting in primary.

So if everyone else is ready, and there's someone who can take my place, then by all means....

SteveG
05/27/08 01:46 PM  
Re: Berliner Swap
You put yours on fruit? I think the answer is you add syrup on the side if you want it, but should not a berliner be served pure?
tankdeer
05/27/08 01:51 PM  
Re: Berliner Swap
I dunno. Like everything I think it's a matter of opinion. I for one brewed up 15 gallons of berliner just so I could try a couple different variations. One of which sat on 3 lbs of blueberry puree for about a month. The other 10 gallons were split, one fermented with WY 3191 and the other with a WLP001/Lacto blend. The latter is on tap right now and is pretty good, albeit a little one dimensional. I will be bottling the 3191 batch within a week or so.
SteveG
05/27/08 01:57 PM  
Re: Berliner Swap
Tank - personally I think there is no problem with a C. lacking dimension. To some extent - IMO - that's actually the point. I'm not so sure the better beer world has a general appreciation of simple beer, that's always bugged me.

Ben, read your note in the other thread. Bummer man, so basically what you have is something like an American wheat beer?

I've not been on top of this thread, are there enough reasonable berliners out there to do a swap?

tankdeer
05/27/08 03:54 PM  
Re: Berliner Swap
I feel mine is reasonable. As said, a little one dimensional but I also agree that is not necessarily a bad thing. Kinda has that carbonated lemonade thing going on.

We'll see how the other batch is once bottled and carbed and I'll decide which is the better to swap with. But I'm in either way.

BPotts
05/28/08 12:35 AM  
Re: Berliner Swap
Steve - i don't know what the hell to consider it - certainly not an american wheat. It is horsey, and I mean HORSEY. And that's about it - dry and horsey - no grainy-wheat flavors at all that you'd expect in a berliner. So, with the raspberries, I'm hoping to achieve some tartness, and some fruity balance to the barn yard.

The brett c & b/lacto attempt on the other hand tastes like a berliner, but isn't tart (at least not the last time I checked). I'll be patient with that one though, it's just starting to get warm.

SteveG
05/28/08 07:20 AM  
Re: Berliner Swap
>>Steve - i don't know what the hell to consider it<<

I'd go "American wild ale". If it were me I'd think about making a balancing beer and blending. Maybe into a saison or something.

Seanywonton (Sean White)
05/28/08 08:11 AM  
Re: Berliner Swap
I've got no problem with pushing the swap back a bit if it would let a few more people in...I'm in fo'sure though
Mike T
05/28/08 09:31 AM  
Re: Berliner Swap
Iíll need to check how many bottles I have left, with only a 3 gallon batch my stocks are already starting to dwindle.
DrunkenPanther
05/28/08 09:44 AM  
Re: Berliner Swap
My smack pack is still sitting in my fridge un-smacked :(

I realllllllly have to catch up on my brewing!

BPotts
05/28/08 11:42 AM  
Re: Berliner Swap
Hah, drunken - and I thought I was behind!

Steve, we're talking about the "watered down bretty lager" tasting beer right? I was thinking about blending with a couple of other things to lighten their body, but decided not to. Then I got the e-mail about the raspberries and thought it would be nice to have a light bretty fruit beer for the summer...it's been a long time since I did a fruit beer (besides the Kriek which I'm trying to keep my hands off of) - you really seem opposed to this idea of fruit in a berliner? I could still use it for blending after the fruit if it still tastes sub-par....

SteveG
05/28/08 02:19 PM  
Re: Berliner Swap
Well, it would be wrong for me to be really opposed to the idea, sorry bout that. I mean, it is your beer and raspberries may well turn it around. I was just thinking in terms of a berliner swap, in that it would not really be a berliner any more. But saving the beer is certainly a more noble priority.
BPotts
05/28/08 02:27 PM  
Re: Berliner Swap
ahhh, gotcha...yeah I pretty much decided this was not going to be a good example of the style for the swap, and I figured I should just try and make a beer worth drinking at that point. It also seemed like there was a good number of people who wanted to get in on the swap but I guess not everyone's has come around yet either.

I'll be trying the latest one today since it's gotten up into the 80's here the past few days. There's a good chance some acidity might be accumulating at this point. The imperial Fred I am fermenting in the same room looked like it was about blow yesterday - leaking at the seems and all (i guess the krausen blocked the hole of the blow tube) - the temp was off the fermometer chart. That beer at least, is probably in the upper 80's to 90's at this point....and the scum on the side tasted tart already...

BPotts
05/28/08 06:29 PM  
Re: Berliner Swap
Alright well I checked the grav and tasted my brett b & C & lacto berliner. It tasted good, but still not really all that tart - it has some very minor acidity. Also, it's still fermenting anyway. In two weeks it's still gone down a few points from 1.01 to around 1.006, and it's still pretty cloudy with bubbles coming out of the airlock every so often...unless the swap is going to be sometime in early july or so I think you'll have to count me out.
SteveG
05/29/08 06:54 AM  
Re: Berliner Swap
Ben, people are not jumping at this one, my guess is you'll be OK.
mtc
05/29/08 09:38 AM  
Re: Berliner Swap
Should the swap takee place in July to accomodate BPotts and others whose Berliners are still developing, please count me in.

I tasted mine last night, (a beer I complained about in another post originally using Jamil's specs and then hit with Fantome dregs--thanks again BPotts) and it is finally developing the tartness I'd hoped for.

One last note: when I added the dregs to lend previously non-existent acidity the gravity was 1.005. Yesterday it had dropped to 1.001 after, what, a month at most!

SAH
05/29/08 10:06 AM  
Re: Berliner Swap
July is fine with me, like I said before mine at last check were not fully carbonated - I'd like to wait a while before checking again because they may just need more time, but if they are not I'll have to chill/uncap/sweeten/recap and then wait for them to carb up again.
BPotts
05/29/08 11:20 AM  
Re: Berliner Swap
mtc - awesome! Those little critters are real beasts aren't they! Yesterday I tasted a high gravity red that had the dregs and it soured a ~9% abv beer in 5 or 6 months time, at cellar temps (until the past month).
tankdeer
05/29/08 11:42 AM  
Re: Berliner Swap
July is fine with me too. I bottled a few off the berliner I have on tap now, and I'll be bottling the whole batch with the WY blend this weekend. So I'll have two to chose from and I'll send the best.
SteveG
05/29/08 11:56 AM  
Re: Berliner Swap
I like to give brett plenty of time to settle, so if mine turns out a bit sour I'd be happier with July too.
BPotts
05/30/08 10:34 AM  
Re: Berliner Swap
I had a last minute idea yesterday after bottling my strong beer infected with fantome bugs. I innoculated my berliner and my new "imperial" fred with the remaining yeast cake (not much). Should definitly help increase acidity in the berliner, and figured it would be at home with the other bugs in the fred.
SteveG
06/06/08 01:13 PM  
Re: Berliner Swap
My Berliner is not as good as the last one but its still not bad. I could be in on this swap if there are enough others.
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