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BPotts
06/11/08 08:03 PM  
Re: Berliner Swap
Took a taste and reading of the brett c & b berliner today, after a heat wave and adding the dregs from the bretty belgian strong, courtesy of fantome dregs. Things are coming along nicely. Still not sure when I'm gonna bottle, but it's down to about 1.003 and definitly beginning to sour. If those of you with finished products can hold off on consuming all of your tasty work I'm down for the swap.
mtc
06/11/08 10:11 PM  
Re: Berliner Swap
Late July, early August might be able to include everyone interested. Should we set a date? I'm down, too.

BPotts-- at 1.003 are you going to re-yeast, or do you think the Fantome bugs will be up for the job?

BPotts
06/11/08 11:57 PM  
Re: Berliner Swap
Early august would be best for me as mine's not even bottled yet and I'd like to wait another week or two before I do that....

Last summer the saison that dropped down to ~1.005 or so carbed up no problems. It took a long time for the yeast to completely settle in the bottle-I think a small pellicle may have even formed and dropped, but when I last had one around 10 months after bottling the carbonation was still perfect, no over carb at all. in fact, I haven't found a need to reyeast with any of my bug beers not just the fantome ones, yet...

tankdeer
06/12/08 11:06 AM  
Re: Berliner Swap
No problems with august here. I blew my first keg, but I bottled up the portion with WY3191 and I like it much better anyways.
CDH
06/20/08 07:59 PM  
Re: Berliner Swap
I've just tried my (brett c)Berliner Weiss, which I adulterated quite shamelessly with a bit of Chardonnay juice, and it's coming along quite well. If utterly non-canonical beers are welcome in the swap, I've got a case and a half of bottles and I'll set aside a sixpack for shipping.
BPotts
06/20/08 09:55 PM  
Re: Berliner Swap
I'd be curious to give it a try....

I'll be sending my Framberliner along with my "standard", just to try if not for the swap. It actually turned a pretty lame beer into a quite refreshing one. I think I'll be bottling both tomorrow...

Is anyone submitting one made with the wyeast 3191 blend? From what it seems all of the more succesful ones were ironically made with other yeasts/bretts...

Sean did yours ever sour up at all?

tankdeer
06/21/08 06:23 PM  
Re: Berliner Swap
Ben. I will be sending along my 3191 batch. I actually think it turned out better than the other 1/2.
Tremens
06/23/08 10:00 AM  
Re: Berliner Swap
Hi Everyone,

I just brewed my first Berliner and was wondering if this swap is full or if you could use one more. I brewed it using a turbid mash, no boil, and lacto blend and lacto in the primary. It did fairly well at the NHC Berliner panel tasting.

For those who are having a problem getting that sour/tart character, I had a similar issue. I decided to put the corney in my garage (85-95 degrees) for 1.5 weeks. This really provided some nice conditions to the lacto... it tarted up very nicely.

Thanks!

Pat

tankdeer
06/23/08 12:14 PM  
Re: Berliner Swap
Just took first place for sour ales with my WLP001/lacto blend berliner in the San Diego County Fair yesterday. Pretty happy with that. And I feel that the WY3191 batch is much better too. :-)
BPotts
07/03/08 02:46 PM  
Re: Berliner Swap
Mmmmm.... tasting my all brett berliner now - not sure if this is what classic berliner weiss tasted like but this american interpretation isn't half bad. Kinda tastes like the avery fifteen I had last night, but a little less horsey and a tad more sour, drier, with a lighter more spritzy character.....well now I'm really curious to what everyone else's is like! especially that 1st place winner ;)
tankdeer
07/03/08 04:29 PM  
Re: Berliner Swap
<<especially that 1st place winner ;)>>

Too bad it's all gone!! It actually took another first in a different comp that same weekend too. :-D

Don't worry, I have some for the swap, it's just not the same batch. (different yeast)

BPotts
07/03/08 07:58 PM  
Re: Berliner Swap
Ahh, I see that now, oh well... I want the better one anyway!
SteveG
07/03/08 10:10 PM  
Re: Berliner Swap
Been sampling mine, far from my best work but I'm not ashamed of it. Maybe after I get back from Transylvania I'll see if we can arrange something.
Seanywonton (Sean White)
07/05/08 10:28 PM  
Re: Berliner Swap
So my Berliner made with the Wyeast blend has been in bottles now for about 3 weeks now. The brett is definitely there but there is almost no sourness. At this point I'd be really surprised to see it get more sour.

I also have a keg of this. If adjust the sourness with lactic acid, how much are we talking about for 5 gallons? I figure I'll sit down with a glass pretty soon and a dropper and taste-test, but I'd just like to here a ballpark figure on this if anyone's got one.

BPotts
07/06/08 10:28 AM  
Re: Berliner Swap
You might be able to gauge the addition by checking the pH level. Looking at WB's it seems most sours are around 3-3.5, one goes as low as 2.8. You can add and just take pH readings until it drops to that range, and taste accordingly. I think taste is also probably a good way of gauging how much you'll need. Just add in small amounts until it tastes ok. Either way I wouldn't expect you to need much, maybe a teaspoon to start?
BPotts
07/06/08 10:47 AM  
Re: Berliner Swap
MTC - the fantome dreg berliner carbed up fine, no probs at all for having such a low FG. They never fail me...soured up great and conditioned with no problems - real workhorses!
mtc
07/06/08 05:45 PM  
Re: Berliner Swap
After your suggestion and seeing the results for myself, I am a believer, Bpotts. It doesn't hurt that when my beers might need an extra push all I have to do is crack a Fantome! Oh, the perils of homebrewing.

Any truth to the new WY VSS Biere de Garde strain being Fantome? If so, I wonder if these will sour up over time. Only one way to find out, I suppose.

BPotts
07/07/08 07:25 AM  
Re: Berliner Swap
The BDG is just the sacch strain, so it shouldn't "sour" per se...might provide some tartness, but not sure, never used it. I've been told the it's lacto + brett that really does the souring from the dregs.
Al B
07/07/08 02:47 PM  
Re: Berliner Swap
Correct. The BDG is just Saccharomyces yeast. It doesn't provide any tartness by itself.
Seanywonton (Sean White)
07/14/08 12:21 PM  
Re: Berliner Swap
Well Friday night I threw the keg of Berliner in the kegerator for chilling. I had not force-caronated it at all, just enough pressure to cap it off about a month ago.

Last night I was expecting to taste it and adjust the acidity up with lactic acid. To my surprise, the carbonation was perfect, and the acidity was great. Not too much, but definitely present. All the flavors really cane out well. Way better than the bottles, which I think emphasized the brett way more than lactic sourness.

BPotts
07/14/08 01:08 PM  
Re: Berliner Swap
Both were fermented with the 3191 blend?
tankdeer
07/14/08 02:31 PM  
Re: Berliner Swap
I think I'll throw one of my bottled (3191) berliners in the fridge tonight. Haven't tasted it since bottling.
Sean White
07/15/08 10:03 AM  
Re: Berliner Swap
yes, 3191.
tankdeer
07/15/08 09:17 PM  
Re: Berliner Swap
So, I just cracked open a bottle of the 3191 portion of my berliner. All I can really say is wow. This has really turned into a fantastic beer. It's really got everything my other berliner did, but with a subtle brett complexity. In addition, it seems to be a generally smoother and more balanced beer. I am very happy with how this turned out and will am now confident that I have a quality beer for the swap.
BPotts
07/15/08 11:33 PM  
Re: Berliner Swap
I guess when steve gets back we should start to organize the swap?
tankdeer
07/16/08 11:01 AM  
Re: Berliner Swap
If everybody else is ready, that's cool with me.
Tremens
08/04/08 03:21 PM  
Re: Berliner Swap
Did you guys do this swap yet? I have a Berliner ready to go, if you can accomidate one more.
SteveG
08/27/08 02:27 PM  
Re: Berliner Swap
Hey, been otherwise occupied for a while. Is anyone still in here? My Berliner is unimpressive but still sendable.
tankdeer
08/27/08 03:52 PM  
Re: Berliner Swap
I have not tasted mine in over a month. But I still have almost the whole batch sitting there. I should pop one open and see how it is.
Seanywonton (Sean White)
08/27/08 03:55 PM  
Re: Berliner Swap
Heck yeah. I'm in.
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