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CDH
03/26/08 10:14 AM  
Thoughts on a mild with herbs other than hops
Elsewhere, (over on egullet.org's beer forum to be specific), the idea of formulating a low gravity beer flavored with non-hops herbs has come up. I'm wondering if anybody here has thoughts about how herbs like mugwort would likely play in a mild recipe. Anybody here have any thoughts and/or experience in low-grav-non-hopped brewing?
Seanywonton (Sean White)
03/26/08 12:01 PM  
Re: Thoughts on a mild with herbs other than hops
Are you thinking hops for bittering only, or 0% hops, all other herbs?

If you are thinking of 0% hops, I don't have any experience here, but I would look to a book called "Sacred and Herbal Healing Beers" for ideas.

CDH
03/26/08 12:39 PM  
Re: Thoughts on a mild with herbs other than hops
I'm interested in either way. The original idea comes from somebody who lives in Japan and has wild mugwort sprouting out the the ground all around her. She got the idea of trying to brew with it, and wanted something low gravity, in the vein of an old fashioned "small beer".
BPotts
03/26/08 05:36 PM  
Re: Thoughts on a mild with herbs other than hops
I brewed a beer with mugwort (along with 12 or 13 other herbs) at Dock Street a couple of months ago. Some recipe from the 1700's from the UPenn Library. Mugwort is primarily a bittering herb, there's no reason why you couldn't use it in a mild but I think some additional herbs would be more helpful for flavor.
CDH
03/26/08 06:35 PM  
Re: Thoughts on a mild with herbs other than hops
Have any suggestions? Sage? Chamomile? Pine? Juniper? What is likely to go well with the mugwort bitterness?
BPotts
03/26/08 06:46 PM  
Re: Thoughts on a mild with herbs other than hops
We used sage, chamomile, lemon balm, cowslip flowers, sandalwood, sassasafras, sarsparilla, mace, and oregano (and others I forget). we also used wormwood, and a couple of other things for bittering. I can't remember all of the herbs but those are some good ones that we used. We also used a very small amount of each (for 10 barrels), only 2 oz., and then we dry herbed with a few of the herbs.
BPotts
03/26/08 06:48 PM  
Re: Thoughts on a mild with herbs other than hops
Also, I would think heather tips or elderberries wood go well, ie. old scottish style recipes that don't use hops. Pine or juniper would be interesting as well...
CDH
03/27/08 10:53 AM  
Re: Thoughts on a mild with herbs other than hops
Did you use rue in the recipe too? That is an interesting and very bitter flavor, which might play well with beer...
DrunkenPanther
03/27/08 10:01 PM  
Re: Thoughts on a mild with herbs other than hops
Im visiting the in laws in Harrisburg, PA and saw that Troegs is offering this up as their current scratch beer:

Scratch #8-2008: On tap and cases available

Release Date: March 11, 2008

Inspiration: Cross between Belgian style Tripel and Gin

O.G.: 21.2 Plato

A.B.V.: 10.1%

I.B.U.ís: 18

Malt: Pils

Juju: Juniper, Coriander, Yarrow Flowers

Yeast: Trappist

Hops: Warrior, Hallertau

Revisiting Scratch #3, we take the same Tripel recipe, add beet and cane sugars to the kettle, and run the wort through our hopback brimming with juniper berries, coriander and yarrow flowers.

Inspired by the herbaceous nose of gin, the berries and flowers give a slight pine/citrus aroma with floral undertones. Scratch #8 has a dry, yeasty finish and noticeable alcohol warming when consumed.

Planning on heading to the brewery tomorrow to check it out!

BPotts
03/27/08 10:03 PM  
Re: Thoughts on a mild with herbs other than hops
They had that at the Real Ale fest in Philly during philly beer week....heard it was good.
BPotts
03/27/08 10:09 PM  
Re: Thoughts on a mild with herbs other than hops
Oh, and CDH, no we didn't use any rue...what is it?
CDH
03/28/08 10:26 AM  
Re: Thoughts on a mild with herbs other than hops
Rue is a bitter herb... looks pretty in gardens and tastes nice in a bitter way. Look it up on wikipedia. It's there.
BPotts
04/02/08 07:43 PM  
Re: Thoughts on a mild with herbs other than hops
My girlfriend found this link today while looking stuff up at work (she works at greenhouse/garden center)

www.calferm.org/edu/misc/botanicals.htm

Real great quick guide to lots of different herbs used in brewing. Wish I'd seen this earlier....

CDH
04/03/08 05:34 PM  
Re: Thoughts on a mild with herbs other than hops
Wow... that's cool! Good stuff.
Jimbo
04/03/08 06:18 PM  
Re: Thoughts on a mild with herbs other than hops
Nymphaea caerulaea - Egyptian Blue Water Lilly

cutty/pasty:

www.gotmead.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=412&topic=5818.0

Currently aging an AG version of this one in secondary. It's good and feels niize.

 
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