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CDH
05/29/08 03:24 PM  
Re: Saison blend
AlB- Thanks a ton! The goodies have arrived today. Can't wait to get it into some wort!
Eric
05/29/08 04:05 PM  
Re: Saison blend
Al, is it too late to get in on this? I was just here looking for some info on doing a Saison in the coming weeks with some Fantome dregs and saw this thread. Guess I don't swing by here as much as I should.
bstill
05/29/08 04:47 PM  
Re: Saison blend
awe some, can i ride this train??
Al B
05/29/08 06:34 PM  
Re: Saison blend
Eric - careful w/ Fantome dregs. Unless you luck out with the dregs, there will be Lactobacilli to contend with (and Lactobacilli can multiply fast in fresh wort).

I'll check with what's left .......

mtc
05/29/08 10:35 PM  
Re: Saison blend
Al,

Received my bugs today--thank you very much. They were still cool to the touch, sans icepack, if you can believe it! Time to put them to work.....

Al B
05/30/08 07:26 AM  
Re: Saison blend
Eric + Bstill -

Well Whaddaya know .........3 tubes are left!

Spidey
05/30/08 10:14 AM  
Re: Saison blend
Hey Al,

Does that mean there is one tube remaining now? May I? In addition to brewing up a saison myself, I'll promise to share the bugs from starter with members of my area homebrew club (Charlottesville, VA), and I'll also freeze an aliquot (I've got a -80C at work) for future resurrection. Let me know...

BPotts
05/30/08 10:29 AM  
Re: Saison blend
These are OK in the fridge for a couple of days, right?
Al B
05/30/08 10:46 AM  
Re: Saison blend
OK spidey, the last is yours.

Ben, yes refrigerate like you would with a vial from WL. I haven't done a plate count but I'm confident that the amount of slurry would be approximate to a slurry in a WL vial (about the same size vial) of equivalent ml. This is fresh yeast.

FYI to all: the blend was worked up w/ about 20% of each strain using continuous stirring and air pump (sterile filtered air/O2). Starter wort was DME + yeast nutrients @ 1040 SG. SLurry was chilled and aseptically dispensed into sterile centrifuge tubes. Happy brewing.....my tentative plan is to brew a saison w/ spelt, possibly another one with American hops.

BPotts
05/30/08 11:07 AM  
Re: Saison blend
Ok, cool...I'm expecting them today, but wont get a chance to do anything until tomorrow at the earliest....

Go for the american hop saison! I bottled up the final 3711 saison (a wildflower honey saison) a week and half ago or so, which sat on a couple of oz's of simcoe for at least 2 months in the secondary - and it's effing great. final OG ~1.001-2! Dry as a bone, rich fruitiness from the yeast and honey, and a big simcoe punch in the face. I may try another one myself....

Perhaps I'll have to send over a care package as a little "thank you" for all of your wonderful work with critters...

tankdeer
05/30/08 11:34 AM  
Re: Saison blend
I've got one with american hops planned as well. I was thinking amarillo (although I do have some simcoe as well). In addition I will probably also do a regular-ish one, an amber one, (was thinking of a pumpkin one for fall) and maybe a nice dark strong one. Lots of ideas.

I too will be sharing this with a couple of my brewing buddies once I get a large starter cultured up and will probably freeze some too. Can't wait. :-)

ericburnley
05/30/08 11:34 AM  
Re: Saison blend
Thanks so much Al! Mail sent.

I have some Fantome and Bam Biere dregs set aside to do something with, and a bottle of Orval waiting in the wings as well. After reading here, I'd planned on pitching a reculture of Le Mer yeast (from North Coast, same yeast as Pranqster I've read?) and pitching the Fantome dregs at some point. The 'when' - pitch the two at the same time, or the Fantome after the main yeast has worked a while - is what I still need to determine. But I'm really excited to work with your Saison blend, should be awesome.

BPotts
05/30/08 11:35 AM  
Re: Saison blend
Just grabbed the vials out of the mail box and popped 'em in the fridge, thanks again! Can I use that address for a return package?
ericburnley
05/30/08 11:37 AM  
Re: Saison blend
Yeah, I'll also be passing on a vial of it once I've cultured up some.
Al B
05/30/08 12:29 PM  
Re: Saison blend
<<Can I use that address for a return package?>>

If its legible, sure! If it ain't, have another beer.....

:]

tripel beam
05/30/08 04:30 PM  
Re: Saison blend
Thanks again Al. I received your package yesterday and I'll be putting them to work tomorrow.
tankdeer
05/30/08 10:40 PM  
Re: Saison blend
Got mine today. And I'm all the way on the west coast. Thanks Al. I'm already brewing a BDS tomorrow, but the next few brews will be dedicated to this blend.

Thanks again!

Al B
05/31/08 10:34 AM  
Re: Saison blend
Spidey -

You probably know this, but don't forget to make that aliquot for freezing with a final glycerol content of about ~ 15% glycerol.

tank - either I need more coffee or , whats a BDS ?

tankdeer
05/31/08 01:09 PM  
Re: Saison blend
+1 Spidey. I use glycerol when freezing yeast.

Sorry Al, Belgian Dark Strong. Guess I got lazy. Got two bottles of the D2 syrup going in. :-)

John A
05/31/08 01:28 PM  
Re: Saison blend
Thank you Al,

I'll get a package out to you this week.

John

Brian Richards
05/31/08 08:42 PM  
Re: Saison blend
Alright! Got the blend in the mail today. Thanks Al. I should have some of my bugfarm project in bottles soon here so I'll send some your way. I really appreciate you sending this to me. I'm excited to get brewing now.
BPotts
05/31/08 09:14 PM  
Re: Saison blend
bottled bug farm beer already?? what's it like?
Brian Richards
06/01/08 01:49 AM  
Re: Saison blend
BPotts, I ran a partigyle off of a Belg. Dark Strong that i did and did a primary with Brett. Claus and then pitched a big starter of bugfarm at around 1.020 or so. This beer tastes awesome right now. It is so representative of a Flanders Red that has been aging for a year and a half or so and it's really only a few months in the making. I used some of those bugfarm chips elsewhere too but those beers aren't going to be ready for a while.
BPotts
06/01/08 02:48 PM  
Re: Saison blend
Interesting... acetic acid?
BPotts
06/01/08 07:44 PM  
Re: Saison blend
Al....the blend smells fantastic....very champagne-like....it's going in the starter now....
BPotts
06/02/08 08:53 AM  
Re: Saison blend
I'm not big on starters, but I made them to ensure that Al's yeasties would be ready and raring to go in a regular sized beer. So, what's the best way to go about handling starters once they're activated? Is it ok to let it sit at room temp for a week until I can brew or should I stick it in the fridge while it's still active? Do starters autolyze more quickly due to the large amount of yeast in small amount of wort? My plan is to brew a saison blend beer on weds, and then brew the farmhouse saison on friday or saturday.
Al B
06/02/08 09:53 AM  
Re: Saison blend
Ben,

After 1-2 days, place the starter in the cold box. The day of brewing, bring it out to warm up several hours before pitching. If the yeast settled out in the starter, pour off the top clear wort off the slurry (if not don't worry about it). You can always add fresh starter if you don't get around to brewing for a few weeks (yeah right!).

Al

Spidey
06/02/08 11:48 AM  
Re: Saison blend
Al and tank, Thanks for the tip about glycerol. I've been using glycerol in my yeast stocks, but thanks for reminder anyway. Question though: What is the best way to maintain viability when thawing from -80C? Should I thaw stocks at 4C, room temp, or 37C? (Sorry if I'm getting off the original topic here.)
tankdeer
06/02/08 11:59 AM  
Re: Saison blend
Spidey, I've always heard that a faster thaw is best, and as such I thaw mine at room temp. Seems to work fine.
BPotts
06/02/08 08:07 PM  
Re: Saison blend
Is it ok to have starters exposed to light? I've read/heard it's only when hops are in the equation that it's bad, but it still seems scary to me....
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