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ErikH
07/23/08 11:48 AM  
Black Ghost-inspired recipe
OK, it's been a year or so since I had a Fantome Black Ghost, but recent tasting of the Lost Abbey Ten Commandments and upcoming saison brewing has me thinking about this . . .

Would appreciate any feedback from the erudite crew here - I see from LA that their beer includes raisins and honey but not sure if I want to go that route.

OG: 1.070

FG: 1.008

8.2% ABV

88% Belgian Pilsner malt

8% Belgian Caramunich

4% Belgian Carafa III

(possibly some small amount of sugar?)

1/2 tsp each fresh rosemary, cumin, white pepper at end of boil

Hops? Say 35 IBU? Argentine Cascade / Sorachi Ace / Strisselspalt? +Dry hop?

Primary: Dupont bottle culture

Add Fantome bottle culture mid-secondary or at bottling

BPotts
07/23/08 12:06 PM  
Re: Black Ghost-inspired recipe
You could use the wyeast bier de garde that's out now - supposed to be fantome's primay yeast.
Cisco
07/23/08 12:15 PM  
Re: Black Ghost-inspired recipe
I think you're waaaaaay over doing the spicing.
Al B
07/23/08 12:58 PM  
Re: Black Ghost-inspired recipe
I just had a old Port SPF this past weekend and it was dang close to the black ghost. I fondly recall some black pepper and I believe Hallertauer is another possibility.

BPotts
07/23/08 01:16 PM  
Re: Black Ghost-inspired recipe
In farmhouse ales it has a breakdown of SPF, which it says is indeed inpsired by BG. Pilsner, caramel wheat, melanoidan, special b & carafa II...amarillo & tettnanger hops, dupont yeast for flavor and "one for attenuation"... with deglazed raisins + rosemary and orange peel.
BPotts
07/23/08 01:30 PM  
Re: Black Ghost-inspired recipe
BTW, I just used some sorachi ace in my latest al-blend saison, which I tasted for the first time a couple of days ago after transfering to secondary. I did two ounces of whole leaf at 20 min out and then 2.5 + .5 of saphir at 60 when I turned off the heat. The hop flavors were pretty lemony as I recall (only got a wee nip from what was left in the tube after racking - so I didn't get a real great sense of the beer). Was certainly a different type of flavor but I think it will be good, I'm curious to get a real taste once I bottle it in a couple of weeks. Have you used the sorachi's yet? At first I thought it might clash with your recipe, but now that I think about it that might work out pretty nicely...
Cisco
07/23/08 01:34 PM  
Re: Black Ghost-inspired recipe
I use sorachi ace (a Japanese hop) hops and really love the super clean hop profile that it imparts, especially in siasons. It's not real spicy, just really clean and well balanced.
BPotts
07/23/08 01:45 PM  
Re: Black Ghost-inspired recipe
Yeah...a cross between saaz and brewers gold or something like that.... I've used them before - I got a lb. from fresh hops last fall. But every time I used them it was in conjunction with other hops or spicing and I never really got to know the variety on it's own. For this latest saison I used organic first gold for bittering and a little bit of that saphir which is also clean and kind of lemony for flavor, but the sorachi's are definitly showcased... really light and dry, og was 1050, so it's all hops.

Cisco, are you talking about using them for bittering or do you use for flavor/aroma as well?

petec
07/23/08 01:45 PM  
Re: Black Ghost-inspired recipe
I like the SPF series but I'm actually not a huge fan of the Blackghost - crazy as that probably sounds.

It might be the fruit juice they used or perhaps the hint of farmhouse funk I'm not enticed by.

In my first saison several summers ago, I used raisins as adjuncts. they are noticeable.

petec

Cisco
07/23/08 01:56 PM  
Re: Black Ghost-inspired recipe
I use the sorachi for both bittering and flavor/aroma. Try it as the only hop in a beer, it has such a noble character to its influence. Very classy hop variety. I hope it remains available.
BPotts
07/23/08 01:59 PM  
Re: Black Ghost-inspired recipe
I hope so too, 'cause I used the last of my stock in that saison...
ErikH
07/24/08 01:30 PM  
Re: Black Ghost-inspired recipe
Thanks for the feedback, folks. I will give this another shot with it in mind.

Hm - petec, I see a mention of fruit? Didn't think this particular Fantome used it.

petec
07/24/08 02:42 PM  
Re: Black Ghost-inspired recipe
My menti0on of fruit is based on that I had heard most/all of the Fantomes have some use of seasonal fruit juice in them. Perhaps Danni can comment on BG and fruit.

And that the specifics really change year to year on the beers. very artisianal in other words and tough to quantify depending on which year you tasted and which clone recipe yours may be based on if its not entirely your own design.

have fun either way. good luck. petec

 
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