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MarkO
11/05/08 02:43 PM  
Re: Return of the Bugfarm
Thanks Al Bugrancher.
john
11/05/08 07:58 PM  
Re: Return of the Bugfarm
Is it best to pitch the bugs right away or use a neutral type yeast first then add them in secondary?
BPotts
11/16/08 09:37 AM  
Re: Return of the Bugfarm
Brewing my bug farm 2 beer today.... a "bruine lambic." Got the idea from an old belgian beer sign on the wall at monks. It has the breweries logo in the center and then says ""bruine" above and "geuze" below. I'm assuming they brewed both a bruine and a gueze, but I thought to myself "what an interesting idea for a lambic!". So, I'm gonna make one.

I'll let you know how it tastes in a year or so!

mrb
11/16/08 10:16 AM  
Re: Return of the Bugfarm
BPotts: Post your recipe, please!
BPotts
11/16/08 10:38 AM  
Re: Return of the Bugfarm
Basic lambic recipe, to an og of around 1.041-5. Only thing different is the use of an additional lb. or so each caravienne, caramunich I, and an ounce of black malt (for color).

Chucking in the chips for one, long, slow, primary fermentation in a glass carboy. I may make a small addition of extra oak chips, for flavor.

Mike Mraz
11/18/08 03:05 AM  
Re: Return of the Bugfarm
Im going to try something a little different. I have a few beers that I have made and are sitting in kegs. Im going to blend them then add the bugs

Last week I blended:

40% Belgian dark strong 50% American wheat 8% dry stout 2% sour beer

Then add some of my bugs to it.

Here is what I have for Als bugs.

50% Belgian Blonde 40-45%% German wheat 5% of the Chardonnay barrel aged blonde maybe 5%-0% of my Doppelbock Still thinking about the last one.

trripel beam
11/18/08 03:43 AM  
Re: Return of the Bugfarm
With things winding down at the winery and bugs (courtesy of Al) in my fridge, I will fire up the burners this weekend.

Question? split up the cubes or all together? reusage? And timewise 6-8mnth? anybody thinking much earlier/later?

I must say of you're Saison yeast,it was a hit this year. For our 2008 vintage "Al's Saison Blend" was not just assistance, but sustenance for us here at the winery.

Thanks again for being into it all.

Mike

mtc
11/18/08 09:44 AM  
Re: Return of the Bugfarm
Mike Mraz-

Your idea sounds interesting and full of potential. Indeed, it seeems like a small-scale mimic of a barrel-aged sour where the "finished" beer is added to an already innoculated vessel to gain complexity. The adavantage, at least to me, is that the end product may be more controllable and nuanced rather than full-on funk and unpredictable.

I'm wondering how long you expect your blends to mingle with the bugs?

Mike Mraz
11/18/08 05:02 PM  
Re: Return of the Bugfarm
mtc-

Only time will tell how the beer will turn out. But most of mine sit in the carboy for 6 months then 3 months in the bottle. That time is not set in stone but it works out about right for me. My beers in the bottle still change and the brett still is working on the beer.

But blending the blend in 6 months might happen also.

I will have 3 sour beers to blend. A light, amber, and a dark sour to work with.

BPotts
12/21/08 10:05 PM  
Re: Return of the Bugfarm
So... I didn't getting around to brewing my lambic-bruin until last weekend. I was a little worried about the viability of Al's chips after sitting in the fridge for about a month... but... looks like the bugs were still quite healthy!! Checked on the beer today, which was innoculated ONLY with Al's chips, and looks like there was a very healthy and rigerous primary ferment. The krausen mucked up the entire top of the carboy and filled the empty airlock I stuck on top to prevent any bacteria from getting in but allowing plenty of o2. The beer tastes pretty odd, a little estery with some belgian type phenols, slight acidity, but wiith a real funky and "rice patty" like flavor. Reminded me of hitachino nest XH, fermented with koji in sake casks. Pretty unique... can't wait to see what this is like in two years!
BPotts
12/21/08 11:21 PM  
Re: Return of the Bugfarm
BTW... it took my 1.060 wort down to about 1.014... didn't expect a real primary ferment!
tankdeer
02/03/09 12:39 AM  
Re: Return of the Bugfarm
I finally got around to brewing this. Brewed two weeks ago today. Golden strong ale with 15lbs 2 row, 1 lb plain sugar, and 1.5 lbs chardonnay concentrate. (I know, I cheated, I'd prefer real grapes but this was just so much easier) About 25ibus of hallertauer. OG was a hearty 1.090. Primaried with a culture grown up from The Bruery's White Orchard -- This is coming full circle for you, isn't it Al. ;-)

Anyways, I just racked it and the SG was 1.007. That's 91.4% AA. Pretty high. Anyways, I'm going to go ahead an pitch the the bugfarm anyways. So, hope they're fairly alcohol tolerant. It's at 11% abv right now. I'll let you know. :)

Al B
02/03/09 12:57 PM  
Re: Return of the Bugfarm
<<This is coming full circle for you, isn't it Al>>

I'll be attending the Bruery's "Grand Funk Aleroad" brewing session Feb 16th!

Al Batch 50

tankdeer
02/03/09 04:37 PM  
Re: Return of the Bugfarm
That's going to be a lot of fun. I'm envious. Enjoy their tasting bar too. I know I sure did when I went up there!

So, Al. Any predictions on how the BugFarm is going to handle this high alcohol beer? I hope well because the vial of bugs smelled fantastic!

Al B
02/04/09 10:21 AM  
Re: Return of the Bugfarm
woops it'll be Feb 26th.

Anyway, The Bretts will get around to some slight funk. The abv. will not stop them, but I would think it'll be slow-going (should be some dextrins in all that pale malt. Although if you bottle-condition, expect a touch more funk from adding new simple sugar to the mix, perhaps light acidity over time.

tankdeer
02/04/09 01:02 PM  
Re: Return of the Bugfarm
Excellent. I figured the bretts at least should be able to take it, but with 25ibus and high alcohol I was wondering about the lactic bacterias. There is jsut something about a high gravity wild ale that I really enjoy.

I had thought about adding some maltodextrin or maybe just a little sugar to the secondary to give the bugs a little something else to work on. I'll taste it in 6 months or so and see. I plan to age this for at least a year - and I will be bottle conditioing then the time comes.

Thanks again Al!

BPotts
02/04/09 04:33 PM  
Re: Return of the Bugfarm
So Al, are you culturing up yeast for the commercial batch of Grand Funk or are they using something different to funkify?
Al B
02/05/09 07:38 AM  
Re: Return of the Bugfarm
I just sent them a few bugs, but not all, to work up. There will be 2 batches in all to be blended - one this year, one next year. There's some extra bugs for bottling which I'll probably culture up on slants and send.

BPotts
02/05/09 02:20 PM  
Re: Return of the Bugfarm
That's awesome....have fun man!
CDH
06/03/09 11:11 AM  
Re: Return of the Bugfarm
Now that the Bugfarm 1 brew has been bottled (only 16 months in) I'm growing up some Bugfarm 2 and would love to benefit from the experiences of those who have brewed before me. (Need to get a bottle or two over to AlB so that he can see what is little bugs have grown up into.)

Anyway, on the Bugfarm2 project I dropped half of the tube of cubes (and all the cloudy juice) into a pint of the last runnings of my just-brewed witbier. It took a couple of days to ramp up, but is now churning and foamy and ready for more to eat. It's generating some interesting aromas- a dead ringer for molasses, strangely enough. That is making me wonder what sort of style this funk monster would go best with... (particularly since I'm not a fan of molasses itself.)

Any suggestions or observations? Who's brewed what, and how are they progressing?

Al B
06/03/09 11:31 AM  
Re: Return of the Bugfarm
BugFarm 1 - recently split this lambic into 2 carboys after 1.5 yrs. One was just dry-hopped with Zeus, the other I just added pink muscat grapes at a rate of 4lbs/gal.

BugFarm 2 - is about 6 months old (lambic)......no resemblance of molasses......

smellysell
06/05/09 11:49 PM  
Re: Return of the Bugfarm
This is one of the coolest threads I've read. This is my first post, but I've been lurking for a while. Have you started a list for bugfarm 3 yet? haha
Al B
06/06/09 07:17 PM  
Re: Return of the Bugfarm
not yet smellysell, but I forsee another Bugfarm by year's end. Working on a Berliner blend, and another round of Rodenbugs.
BPotts
06/06/09 08:05 PM  
Re: Return of the Bugfarm
CDH - I brewed a bruine lambic about a month after the cubes were first sent out... I chucked the cubes in alone and had a crazy rigerous primary fermentation. I tasted shortly thereafter and remember some pretty weird flavors and aromas, not like anything I really had before...don't really remember molasses... but that was months ago. Haven't tasted since.
CDH
06/07/09 12:22 PM  
Re: Return of the Bugfarm
So I decided to chuck the Bug2 into a beer I'd brewed recently that was in need of some funking up to make it interesting... basically a 50/50 wheat/pale base with some carawheat and caramunich to darken it up, mashed high for residual body. An ounce of bittering hops and a fermentation on Chimay yeast... came out remarkably dull... so I'd dumped some brett C in there, and after that got going for a week, I decided to add the Bugfarm... now it's all sealed up in a keg to do its thing for a while...
Justn
06/11/09 12:28 PM  
Re: Return of the Bugfarm
can't wait for round 3. sad i missed 2.
mrb
06/16/09 09:00 PM  
Re: Return of the Bugfarm
Man, never a dull moment on the Bug Farm. I pitched a batch of Batch 2 bugs to a blonde 100% Brett Beer I had going on 5/1. I had it in a corney keg, with the in post going to a tube in a jar of water. Checked it daily for a while, and never saw any activity. During my last brew session, I had to use the QD for something so I took it off, used it, and then forgot to put it back on. Then I kept forgetting until a few days ago when I noticed it amongst my kegs and vented it. A decent amount of buildup. Did that for a few days until today when I pulled the vent and it was a huge outlet of really interesting smells and a bunch of gas, pretty loud. For shits and giggles I opened up the keg and was pretty blown away to see an insanely vigorous fermentation happening and a lot of churning. I sprayed the top with starsan, put the top back on, and hooked up the line again -- there's a lot going on!
Matt
06/17/09 08:31 AM  
Re: Return of the Bugfarm
How does someone get in on round 3? How does it work exactly?
mrb
10/16/09 11:23 AM  
Re: Return of the Bugfarm
Had to do a bunch of brewhouse maintenance last night after slacking for a while, so I thought I'd check in on the bugfarm batch! Pitched the bugs to this batch back in May, and have only tasted once since then -- it's living in a 5 gallon cornie keg. Last time I tasted, there was a nice tartness, intense aromas, and a lot of other pleasant qualities. I was struck by how attenuated and thin the beer was, which made it even more evident when I tasted this beer last night that it's gone quite SLIMY. I'm not sure if this is "true pedio sickness" or not, but there's definitely a snotty thickness to the beer that wasn't there three months or so ago when I tasted it. Anyone experienced this with Al's blend?
BPotts
10/16/09 11:45 AM  
Re: Return of the Bugfarm
Not with Al's blend (at least, not since I last checked!) but that definitely sounds like good pedio snot.
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