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IPSC Man
11/11/08 05:33 PM  
Best way to bottle high carb Belgians?
I'm finding the 375 ml champagne bottles with the 29mm crown caps either backordered almost everywhere or incredibly expensive with shipping. What do YOU use or recommend for bottling 3-4 volume carbonated beers?

No, I don't have a Korny keg or CO2 tank but for $90 (cost with shipping for 36 bottles) that is a long way towards buying a Keg and CO2.

???

daner
11/11/08 05:48 PM  
Re: Best way to bottle high carb Belgians?
i use regular brown/amber bottles.
Ryan
11/11/08 06:22 PM  
Re: Best way to bottle high carb Belgians?
If/when you drink commercial belgian beers, save the bottles.

IPSC Man
11/11/08 06:28 PM  
Re: Best way to bottle high carb Belgians?
From BLAM, p. 137, Explaining why the Allagash Brewery moved to 750ml bottles: "...because the 12-ounce bottles are not rated to hold higher volumes safely." volumes referenced were 2.4 and 3.5 BTW.

p. 198, "Bottles from many craft beers, which homebreweres recycle, could blow up with 3 volumes of CO2 in the bottle. There are alternatives. One is to save 330 ml bottles from Belgium. A second is to use Champagne styles bottles [375ml/750ml] that accept a crown cap, a solid bet if you have a highly carbonated beer."

-Numerous bottle bomb stories online: http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f35/bottle-bomb-70292/

http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f39/bottle-bomb-time-frame-83685/

I can't locate solid information anywhere on reasonable CO2 capacities for typical 12 oz, 22 oz, PET, etc. bottles. BLAM reference to champagne bottles seems safest bottling approach but my experience is very limited so...

Baums
11/12/08 10:08 AM  
Re: Best way to bottle high carb Belgians?
Like Ryan said.

There are only a few standard Belgian bottles*. So a Duvel-type bottle from any brewery will hold whatever Duvel is carbed to, which is in BLAM I think, and high. Similarly for taller bottles like Rochefort, and 750s, etc.

In the meantime carb to 2.9 volumes in regular bottles.

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*Leffe bottles are often NOT standard Belgian thickness, and in general I'd not use any InBev bottles from beers that aren't bottle conditioned to high volumes, even if they look like the standard Belgian bottle. The walls on these bottles are thinner and so they have to get get tossed out of the smaller Belgian brewers' bottle-reuse systems.

B-Dub
11/12/08 10:51 AM  
Re: Best way to bottle high carb Belgians?
I think allot of the bottle bombs are from beers that do not reach terminal before bottling. That added yeast, a little sugar and agitation brings everything into alignment.

Portland Brewing used to carb the German Wheat beer up to 3.1 vol co2 without any problems. They used their normal bottles for it.

I kind of like the idea of force carbing the beer then bottling for regular bottles. That way the CO2 is known going in and it might help reduce the chances of blowing up!!

ErikH
11/12/08 12:08 PM  
Re: Best way to bottle high carb Belgians?
I concur with those who have used standard bottles of any kind for 3-4 vol. CO2. I have never had an issue with this. I do try to use thicker-walled bottles when I can (Duvel-type stubbies, round-lipped Belgian 750s, etc.) but I do not obsess too much over it.

And I think 3.0-3.5 vol. is plenty to get you where you want to go in terms of 'Belgian' carbonation and head quality and quantity.

jake
11/12/08 07:08 PM  
Re: Best way to bottle high carb Belgians?
350ml Belissima Ice wine bottle with a stand corker work real well. kind of sol on competitions though.
tankdeer
11/13/08 03:03 PM  
Re: Best way to bottle high carb Belgians?
I use Belgian glass for them all -- cappable 330ml, cappable champagne bottles (bother euro and US), and corkable Belgian bottles. They all hold pressure really well. Just save up from drinking commercial beers.

That being said, I keg the vast majority of my beer so the ones that get bottled are minimal.

B-Dub
11/13/08 07:17 PM  
Re: Best way to bottle high carb Belgians?
Tank Deer -

Do you keg Belgium style beers?

Seems like everyone is so obsessed with bottle conditioning nowadays that very few folks keg these wonderful beers.

tankdeer
11/13/08 07:59 PM  
Re: Best way to bottle high carb Belgians?
I do keg a lot of them yes. Not all, but a lot.
Mike Mraz
11/15/08 01:02 AM  
Re: Best way to bottle high carb Belgians?
Thanksgiving is coming up, save the Martinalli's apple cider bottles. They take a normal crown cap and can hold the co2...

B-Dub
12/08/08 02:31 PM  
Re: Best way to bottle high carb Belgians?
Martinalli's apple cider bottles really work?

Turns out my nephew drinks this stuff instead of water! So my in-laws are saving 6 plus bottles a week for me.

Mike Mraz, you have used these with good results?

I might have hit the jackpot.

tankdeer
12/08/08 03:39 PM  
Re: Best way to bottle high carb Belgians?
<<Martinalli's apple cider bottles really work?>>

Yes. They are cappable US style Champagne bottles.

I must admit I have a weakness for that stuff too. ; )

Gail
12/19/08 12:25 AM  
Re: Best way to bottle high carb Belgians?
What a wonderful co-incidence. I was just looking at the martinelli bottles in the holiday food supply at our local store. how cool to get confirmation.
TheBlack77
05/01/10 05:50 PM  
Re: Best way to bottle high carb Belgians?
So the general consensus is standard capped 750s and Duvel style stubbies are perfect for Belgians and wilds right?
Cisco
05/02/10 01:37 PM  
Re: Best way to bottle high carb Belgians?
Yes.
tankdeer
05/03/10 11:47 AM  
Re: Best way to bottle high carb Belgians?
Use 'um all the time.
brewinhard
05/03/10 07:16 PM  
Re: Best way to bottle high carb Belgians?
Have used the typical crappy LHBS brown 12 oz bottles and carbed them up to 3.5 vol. with no issues or bottle bombs before. Although i wouldn't recommend leaving them to age in any type of warm place for an extended period of time. Not that I keep all of my bottled beer in the fridge, but my basement stays around 50 degrees through winter and is 65 during the heat of summer with no issues.
 
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