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DBear
12/17/09 05:21 PM  
Re: a new BugFarm is upon us........

Bugs arrived this afternoon. Thanks again for sharing with the community and your address labels are a hoot! :)

I think I will start with a Jolly Pumpkin Bam Biere clone and then a Flanders Red.

Is the vial a single pitch worth or can I split it and step it up to separate pitches?

Al B
12/17/09 06:42 PM  
Re: a new BugFarm is upon us........
<<Is the vial a single pitch worth or can I split it and step it up to separate pitches? >>

You can certainly split it. The populations are diverse, but will be enough to sour a couple of batches without the need of a starter.

The blend will be create a beer more sour than Bam Biere (fyi)

explosivebeer
12/17/09 10:45 PM  
Re: a new BugFarm is upon us........
I just received the package and I'm PSYCHED! I'll be brewing Saturday to get these guys going. Thanks again for your generosity Al.
explosivebeer
12/19/09 03:58 PM  
Re: a new BugFarm is upon us........
Out of curiosity, at what temp do you guys think this blend should be fermented?
Al B
12/19/09 06:28 PM  
Re: a new BugFarm is upon us........
<<what temp >>

Good question. With a blend like this, there is probably no best temp. (but if I was to offer a suggested temp 60-75F is good enough).

good luck!

jaymo
12/19/09 11:49 PM  
Re: a new BugFarm is upon us........
My shipment arrived today. I'm looking at doing a Flanders Red inspired grain bill (although not necessarily expecting a similar result.) Down the road, possible dried fruit and/or blending may be in store, but one thing at a time. For now I'm just excited to have the opportunity to work with this batch of the Bugfarm! Thanks Al!
Paul V
12/20/09 03:56 PM  
Re: a new BugFarm is upon us........
Hey Al, did you ever have any tubes left over to send my way :) ?
Al B
12/20/09 06:40 PM  
Re: a new BugFarm is upon us........
Paul V.

Sorry. Heliophile finally checked in so he got the last (which will go out after X-mas). Next time....

Paul V
12/21/09 12:10 AM  
Re: a new BugFarm is upon us........
No worries. Just gives me some time to add some more sours to the pipeline. I will be sure to get in early on the next one.
explosivebeer
12/21/09 10:35 AM  
Re: a new BugFarm is upon us........
For what it's worth, I thought I'd give everyone an update on my batch. I pitched the starter into about 4.5 gallons 1.049 wort around 2pm on Saturday. It took off overnight and nearly blew through the airlock.

I took a sample late last night when I replaced the airlock with a clean one. It had strong apricot/peach/nectarine stone fruit characters with a little funkiness. Obviously it's *very* early but I was stoked to get such interesting, great characters developing already.

brewinhard
12/21/09 06:41 PM  
Re: a new BugFarm is upon us........
Explosivebeer-

What size starter did you make for that brew with the bugs? Really looking forward to brewing with mine soon. Just waiting for a special Christmas present (our first baby girl) due any day.

explosivebeer
12/21/09 08:53 PM  
Re: a new BugFarm is upon us........
I just pitched the vial as it was. This batch is basically a big starter for future batches for me, although I'm excited to drink it as well.

Aside from that, I wouldn't mind under-pitching on a beer like this but the way this thing took off, I don't know if I'd call it under-pitched.

babalu87
12/21/09 10:01 PM  
Re: a new BugFarm is upon us........
Wont the Lacto start coming more to the forefront on successive pitches?

How many generations could you go, I've heard 2 on Sour blends???????????????

Al B
12/22/09 07:25 AM  
Re: a new BugFarm is upon us........
<<Wont the Lacto start coming more to the forefront on successive pitches?>>

No simple answer, but in general terms a sour blend will tend to be more sour over generations. Over subsequent generations, pH will become more acidic favoring bretts & bacteria vs. Saccharomyces. Anaerobic conditions will also favor lactic bacteria vs. yeast.

<<the way this thing took off, I don't know if I'd call it under-pitched. >>

Ehhhhxcellent.

MashGordon
12/22/09 09:30 PM  
Re: a new BugFarm is upon us........
I'll second the fast start. I did a Flanders Red straight out of BLAM. Since I didn't do a starter, I pitched the vial with a half teaspoon of US-05 (California Ale) just in case. It went nuts, huge rocky krauzen and fell clear in 7 days. Smells great!
brewinhard
12/23/09 03:06 PM  
Re: a new BugFarm is upon us........
WOW!! Sounds like Al B. really jam-packed those buggers into that vial! Very cool. Anyone else have results like this yet? Will be using mine very soon, once I can get my new little baby girl sleeping long enough....
Al B
12/27/09 12:20 AM  
Re: a new BugFarm is upon us........
<<Sounds like Al B. really jam-packed those buggers into that vial! >>

"these blockbuster bombs don't go off unless ya hit 'em jusssssst riggghhht." (Bugs Bunny)

jaymo
12/28/09 09:20 AM  
Re: a new BugFarm is upon us........
I brewed my Flanders sour yesterday and pitched before heading to bed. No activity yet when I woke up, but the house is on the cool side right now, so I turned the heat up a little.
smellysell
01/01/10 07:02 PM  
Re: a new BugFarm is upon us........
Just about done with a turbid mash for this vial. Hoping I have enough propane left for the boil...

I really need to go electric.

explosivebeer
01/01/10 10:51 PM  
Re: a new BugFarm is upon us........
One more quick follow up - I just took another sample after being out of town for the last week. My batch is now down to 1.009 and it still has a very nice, round apricot note in the aroma and flavor. There's just a little funkiness and tartness at this point but is still very tasty.
DBear
01/14/10 12:45 PM  
Re: a new BugFarm is upon us........

explosivebeer.

What did you brew and how is the batch doing. I'm getting ready to unleash the bugs but have not decided if I am going to do a Flanders Red or a Brown.

explosivebeer
01/14/10 01:49 PM  
Re: a new BugFarm is upon us........
Since I just wanted to get the bugs into some fresh wort and didn't have a lot of time I brewed up a batch that was half pils LME, half wheat LME with about 3oz of aged hops. I haven't pulled a sample since the last update but want to take some to a friend in the next couple of days so I'll let you know how it's doing. I definitely like the direction this batch is heading, even if it is just an over-sized starter for a barrel.
explosivebeer
01/17/10 10:31 PM  
Re: a new BugFarm is upon us........
DBear, to follow up, I just pulled a sample and it has changed quite a bit in the past few weeks. The stone fruit character is starting to be overwhelmed by some sourness and funkiness. This actually reminds me quite a bit of one of New Belgium's Loves, without the extra tartness that creates a prickly sensation on the palate. It's down to 1.006 at this point and is pretty tasty. Good luck with your batch. If anyone else out there has a chance, I'd be curious to hear how your batches are going.
DBear
01/18/10 10:04 AM  
Re: a new BugFarm is upon us........

Explosivebeer,

Thanks for the update. Interesting to hear the changes over the weeks. I plan on doing a brown.

-Cheers (to you and Al B)

SpencerSZ
01/18/10 01:22 PM  
Re: a new BugFarm is upon us........
I pulled a sample of the pLambic I pitched the bugfarm blend into as the primary after about 3 weeks. There is a light lemony sourness developing already but without a whole lot of funk just yet. The sour character reminded me of Lost Abbey's Duck Duck Gooze or maybe Girardin Black without as much funk (not yet at least).

Surprisingly it had already developed the slimy Pedio sickness. This is my first experience with the sickness and it had an interesting mouthfeel to say the least. It was down to 1.012 at this point. Thanks Al!

jaymo
01/19/10 03:44 AM  
Re: a new BugFarm is upon us........
My Flanders Red(ish) brew ended up taking off pretty quick as well in the end. I racked it after about 3 weeks and it was down to 1.006. I hopped it a bit more than normal for a beer like this, and on tasting it was definitely on the bitter side, but the sourness is really starting to come through already and exert a balancing influence.

I brewed a English Brown wort that I put onto the yeast cake after racking the Red the other day and it took off quicker than any beer I've ever brewed.

Thanks Al!

Ryan_PA
01/20/10 04:51 PM  
Re: a new BugFarm is upon us........
I really slacked (read: getting killed at work) on getting my batch done. Finally have the beer in the primary with some abbey ale yeast. I did a 1070 blond ale. I will pitch the bug farm in about 3 weeks with currants and oak cubes that have been soaking in merlot for over a month. Going for a consecration styled beer without being a clone.
Mike T
01/21/10 10:58 AM  
Re: a new BugFarm is upon us........
Brewed a batch with mine over the weekend. Made a small starter the night before to get the bugs going since it was a 10 gallon batch. Half will go into a wine barrel with several other batches to start a solera project, the rest is going to get something fun (either fruit or flowers) next summer.
heliophile
01/28/10 02:09 PM  
Re: a new BugFarm is upon us........
My update: Got my bugfarm Jan 02. Brewed a batch of oud bruin from Brewing Classic Styles...primary started on Sun., Jan. 24. Primary yeast WLP500. Will rack to secondary and pitch Al's bugfarm III today or tomorrow, depending on S.G. Want to make a small starter, so rack and pitch may be delayed a day or so.
brewinhard
01/28/10 06:58 PM  
Re: a new BugFarm is upon us........
Any experience with how fast the starters are taking off? Will be brewing a flanders red soon and had planned on making a 2 L starter. Just curious to see how fast these critters wake up and get rolling to pitch into a higher gravity batch.
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