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TheBlack77
08/01/10 12:54 AM  
Pellicles are interesting beasts
So we've got 2 barrels going right now at my buddy's house. One's more of an Oude Bruin and the other is a Brett IPA. Each beer had one person of the group fermenting with nothing but bugs and/or Brett, and everyone else using sach. Here's a few photos of the pellicles. One of the photos is really good, the other was using a iPhone. Just a little buzzed and felt like sharing...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/theblack77/sets/72157624626367320/

tom sawyer
08/02/10 11:28 AM  
Re: Pellicles are interesting beasts
Is the one slightly blue or is it just the lighting? Gotta love a nice pellicle, not just anyone would drink something that looked like that.
TimC
08/02/10 11:51 AM  
Re: Pellicles are interesting beasts
Nice! Here's a shot of the pellicle on top of my raspberry sour: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_LUmfIyj_kSI/TC1UNcVS0zI/AAAAAAAAAVY/usvsj0yzkwo/s1600/DSCN1537.JPG

Since the addition of raspberries it has turned pink.

TheBlack77
08/02/10 11:43 PM  
Re: Pellicles are interesting beasts
@ Tom, not sure on the color. They are in a friend's basement. That beer has literally been in the barrel for barely over a month.

@ Tim, that thing is funky!

smellysell
08/03/10 01:40 AM  
Re: Pellicles are interesting beasts
I just pulled the stopper out of a little 1 gal saison I have going with some fantome dregs. I would swear the stuff on top had fur poking out!
TheBlack77
08/03/10 10:38 PM  
Re: Pellicles are interesting beasts
Post a photo!

I have 3 wilds going in my closet. Only 1 has a thin layer of "dust" on the top. It does look like it's quite ropy though.

ChadY
08/08/10 01:02 PM  
Re: Pellicles are interesting beasts
TimC, I was just checking out your blog post the other day and saw your pellicle photo. Let there be FUNK! Really nice photo

Black77, That Brett IPA photo is sweet! I have seen some pellicles which have a blue tint to them. I remember seeing some photos from Ithaca when they were aging Brute in SS, and the pellicle then had a blue tint.

Thought I would post some quick ones too, not nearly as good as the previous two...

http://brettanomyces.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/wlp650-pellicle.jpg

http://brettanomyces.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/close-up-pellicle.jpg

TimC
08/08/10 09:14 PM  
Re: Pellicles are interesting beasts
Cool, now that I know someone actually reads my blog I should update it soon. I have a bunch of tastings to do, including the just bottled rhubarb sour.
smellysell
08/08/10 09:56 PM  
Re: Pellicles are interesting beasts
I was trying to post this the other day and photobucket was screwing with me, and then I forgot. Anyways, looks way different with some effort to light it up a little bit.

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s275/smellysell/beer/soursaison001.jpg

RHUBARB SOUR!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

JeffB
08/08/10 11:58 PM  
Re: Pellicles are interesting beasts
First I have a question about racking a beer with a pellicle. I have read that you should wait for the pellicle to drop before kegging/bottling, but I have a couple of beers that have had pellicles for about a year. They taste ready so what should I do?

Second here are some of my pellicle pics from my blog:

http://1227brewing.blogspot.com/2010/01/sour-update.html

ChadY
08/09/10 01:22 AM  
Re: Pellicles are interesting beasts
smellysell and JeffB, those photos are awesome, really add to the justification of the use of the word funk!

I would disregard the pellicle in a any decision of racking. Only rack if your ready to keg/bottle. If the pellicle falls out it has nothing to do with the beer being ready. Its ready when you say its ready. How does it taste? Ready? Pellicles drop out from outside vibration, otherwise they are meant to always be there by nature. Break the pellicle when you pull samples.. it will just reform it is in no way and indication of quality or readyness.

JeffB
08/09/10 12:09 PM  
Re: Pellicles are interesting beasts
ChadY-That is what I thought and a few taste great right now. Others need a little more time. Thanks.
smellysell
08/10/10 02:03 AM  
Re: Pellicles are interesting beasts
Barrel is starting to form an epic pellicle...

Pics to come

TheBlack77
08/13/10 11:41 PM  
Re: Pellicles are interesting beasts
I have another thread on here asking questions about my brett saison. I was out of town last weekend, came home and was going to check the gravity to bottle and bam, there was a pellicle. Guess i'll wait a little while now. Couldn't really get a good up close photo due to the condensation in my carboy.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/theblack77/4889410289/

TheBlack77
08/24/10 10:07 PM  
Re: Pellicles are interesting beasts
The pellicle in my saison is getting gnarly http://www.flickr.com/photos/theblack77/4925384532/in/set-72157624626367320/
brewinard
08/25/10 02:13 PM  
Re: Pellicles are interesting beasts
Liking the funk photos!

Black-

How strong is that saison? Which brett are you aging with?

TheBlack77
08/25/10 08:40 PM  
Re: Pellicles are interesting beasts
@ brewinhard, OG was 1.065. It stalled at 1.020 using 565 and I racked to secondary and pitched a combo of WL Lambicus and Orval dregs (B) that had primary fermented my 5 gallons that went into our barrel (which is my favorite photo in that set http://www.flickr.com/photos/theblack77/4847882795/in/set-72157624626367320/)

tom sawyer
08/26/10 09:34 PM  
Re: Pellicles are interesting beasts
These are most of my current efforts.

http://s96.photobucket.com/albums/l200/62tomsawyer/Wild%20Brews/

brewinhard
08/27/10 10:03 AM  
Re: Pellicles are interesting beasts
Nice photos Tom! Love how you got those cherries right up to the neck of the carboy. CLASSIC! Just drank a Cantillon Kriek from 2007 last night and man was it ever mouth puckering sour! Took me 3 hrs to drink the bottle (and then pitched the dregs into my 15 mos old flanders red of course).
tomsawyer
08/27/10 11:12 AM  
Re: Pellicles are interesting beasts
That kriek has been a pain to deal with. I added the cherries and when fermentation took off again they bouyed up and foam came out the airlock. I took some of the lambic out and it settled down after a few weeks so I added it back and the darned stuff foamed again. I was hoping the cherries would have sunk by now. I'll probably rack off them one day soon.

The sour cherries were off my own tree, a North Star. The big honkin' cherries are storebought Bings. Thats 3lb of sour and 4 lb of sweet (all with pits), I froze them prior to addition to help break down the meat for better extraction. I was thinking they'd have busted up better by now but oh well.

I've had a few bottles of the Cantillon in the last few months, they are certainly sour. My first kriek is just about that sour at 2 yrs old. I love the stuff although there are times when I'll blend with a little of something else to bring the sour down just a notch. Not the Cantillon, just my brew. The De Ranke is a great kriek, I haven't tried the Liefmans yet.

mark
08/27/10 06:15 PM  
Re: Pellicles are interesting beasts
Ok, I'll bite. Here's my 2 carboys of Flanders Red:

http://i535.photobucket.com/albums/ee358/markaberrant/pics837.jpg

http://i535.photobucket.com/albums/ee358/markaberrant/pics836.jpg

mark
08/27/10 06:17 PM  
Re: Pellicles are interesting beasts
Whoops, more info:

Pics837 - Wyeast Roeselare and White Labs Brett C. This is a 50/50 blend of 2 batches of Flanders Red originally brewed Jun 08 and May 09 (pic taken Aug 10).

Pics836 - Wyeast Roeselare, White Labs Brett C, and dregs from Lindemans Cuvee Rene, Petrus Aged Pale and Cantillon Lou Pepe Kriek 2008. This Flanders Red was brewed Jan 10 (pic taken Aug 10).

tom sawyer
08/27/10 07:23 PM  
Re: Pellicles are interesting beasts
That second one has a pellicle you could cut up and fry like a mushroom. Very nice. I suppose you drank some of the June 08 brew? How was it? I haven't used the Roeselare blend, I know its the Rodenbach mix but I've heard mixed reviews of it. The Wyeast lambic blend is really nice.
mark
08/27/10 09:01 PM  
Re: Pellicles are interesting beasts
Tom - Yeah, the pellicle on the new beer is insane, can't say I've seen anything like it.

The blended beer won silver in the second round at the NHC. It is nice, but not sour enough for me.

I'm blending both carboys in November, bottling half, and leaving the other half to age. Then brew another 5 gallons.

tom sawyer
08/28/10 08:14 AM  
Re: Pellicles are interesting beasts
Sounds like a good plan. I think blending is the way to go, I'm going to try a solera type thing with my 11gal barrel.

Came home last night and my stir plate starter of Boon kriek had a big bubble in the vortex, and the definite beginnings of a pellicle. Even with the stirring. Thats crazy! I turned the stirrer off ust in case I was promoting acetobacter over the rest of the beasties. I think I'll brew up a small batch of lambic wort today and go ahead and pitch this starter.

I just hope I'm not sick of lambics in a year because I'm going to have something like 20gal ready to go then.

brewinhard
08/28/10 11:21 AM  
Re: Pellicles are interesting beasts
Some how I don't feel like that will be a problem Tom!

Besides, if necessary, you can always send me what you don't want for proper disposal... :)

TheBlack77
08/28/10 04:06 PM  
Re: Pellicles are interesting beasts
Holy funk Mark! That is nasty! (in a good way of course)
PhillyBrewer
09/27/10 08:15 PM  
Re: Pellicles are interesting beasts
New to sours and the BBB. Here are two sours I have going.

5 week old Flanders Red:

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/1606/img0727pb.jpg

Already-fermented out witbier I didn't care for to which I pitched the dregs of Gueze Boon 10 days ago:

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/6347/img0728b.jpg

brewinhard
09/28/10 07:30 PM  
Re: Pellicles are interesting beasts
Hey Philly! Nice to see you here...Yeah it looks like the Boon Gueze dregs are starting to work already with a wispy pellicle forming. Cool!
Adrian
10/05/10 12:00 AM  
Re: Pellicles are interesting beasts
Brewed a Saison recently using a mixture of WLP565 and Avery 15 dregs. Unfortunately (or fortunately) I don't believe I've got a handle on my Brett C infection that seems to show up from time to time.

Anyone want to guess whether this is the A-15 Brett or Brett C:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/sbcelicagt/Beer/wildsaison.jpg

high res: http://img.photobucket.com/download-albums/v232/sbcelicagt/Beer/.highres/wildsaison.jpg

Maybe it's both?

The yeast head is slowing dropping out. It showed up about 10 days ago after WLP565 pooped out at 68% apparent attenuation.

PhillyBrewer
10/05/10 09:30 AM  
Re: Pellicles are interesting beasts
I pitched the dregs of Lindemans gueuze to the second carboy and moved it. It disturbed it and the pellicle got compromised a bit, but I added more bugs so I'm not worried!
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