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Derek
09/19/10 04:26 PM  
Re: The BugFarm #4 coming to a beer near you
Al,

I was just about to blend my Bugfarm #4 with an older lambic to make a gueuze. A week ago the BF#4 was tasting great and at 1.002, so I was going to use it as the young portion of the mix, this week the pedio has it pumped full of diacetyl. Should I wait until the brett clears out the diacetyl? Do I need to add more sugars since it's at 1.002, or will the diacetyl be enough food for the brett?

Thanks.

john
09/19/10 09:26 PM  
Re: The BugFarm #4 coming to a beer near you
Hey Al,

Im really glad you liked the sauce. im happy to send more anytime you want some.

John
09/19/10 09:37 PM  
Re: The BugFarm #4 coming to a beer near you
Al,

What's the optimal fermentation temperature that you recommend with this mix?

Al B
09/19/10 10:09 PM  
Re: The BugFarm #4 coming to a beer near you
Derek,

The beer is going through a "sickness" stage. It will be very slimy if you try to rack - all of which will dissipate over time thanks to bretts. I advise to be patient and forget about blending for another year.

There is no optimum temperature with such a large diverse mix of microorganisms.

John
09/20/10 09:41 AM  
Re: The BugFarm #4 coming to a beer near you
AL,

What if I rephrase, and ask how high of a temp is too high for initial fermentation? I know that the dupont yeast is in there somewhere, but those other included sacchs make me think that fusels will occur at some point, whether that be at higher temps than normal or not. Thanks for all the info!!

Derek
09/20/10 11:30 AM  
Re: The BugFarm #4 coming to a beer near you
Al,

Yah, I was worried about that. So typically how are gueuzes blended regarding the young portion? do you just have to catch it before it gets "sick"? I already have the aged portions of the batch, so I was hoping to do 75% young, 25% aged.

I recall hearing something from Frank Boon claiming they blend 90% young and 10% aged in their lambic to avoid the beer getting sick.

Thanks.

Al B
09/20/10 12:10 PM  
Re: The BugFarm #4 coming to a beer near you
John,

All of the saison yeasts do very well at the high temps, although all of the bretts & the sherry will do better in the 60-75F range.

Derek,

I'm sure there is plenty of info for blending out there, but I don't think there is one single rule of thumb for blending. Young lambic, to me, is 8-12 months old. But remember there's a difference between spontaneous ferm. & latent bugs in a barrel vs. inoculated beers with multiple strains of bugs.

I wouldn't worry about it. Just brew something else and blend when it tells you its ready.

michaewa
09/23/10 09:01 PM  
Re: The BugFarm #4 coming to a beer near you
I'm late to the party, but I would love to get on the waiting list. I just met one of your satisfied customers last weekend at GABF, and we sampled many fine sours that whet my whistle for production here in SW Missouri.

If I can exchange value for value please let me know!

NinaB
09/24/10 01:56 PM  
Re: The BugFarm #4 coming to a beer near you
Al and I dropped off a bunch of Bugfarm 4s as well as Old Newark Ale blends at Princeton Homebrew last night.

Joe Bair at the homebrew shop can be contacted for ordering/shipping. He's still working out the best shipping method as this is new to all of us.

Brandon
09/25/10 11:48 AM  
Re: The BugFarm #4 coming to a beer near you
Can't wait to use mine soon!

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explosivebeer
09/28/10 04:05 PM  
Re: The BugFarm #4 coming to a beer near you
Al (or anyone else for that matter), do you have any advice on pulling a culture from a barrel to share with others? Obviously things are going to be somewhat skewed from the initial culture, but is there a good way to pull a fairly representative sample of what's currently in there?
michaewa
09/29/10 08:26 AM  
Re: The BugFarm #4 coming to a beer near you
I ordered some of this from Joe and will hopefully get it today.

I've used brett in secondary before, but this is going to be my first full sour, and I wondered about the pitching rate.

Do these bottles need to have a starter built up or are they good to go for a 6ish gallon batch? For those of you that have used these do you normally start off with another yeast (as per Jamil's Flanders recipe) or just start with bugs?

Cheers...

troy
09/29/10 12:04 PM  
Re: The BugFarm #4 coming to a beer near you
Hey all, just wondering what the easiest way would be to contact the homebrew shop that is carrying these bugs. I am on the west coast, so I don't really foresee stopping in and picking it up.
michaewa
09/29/10 12:11 PM  
Re: The BugFarm #4 coming to a beer near you
Hey Troy - I just called Joe at Princeton Homebrew in NJ. He was great, and put together a package to ship them to me. Just give him a call.
jaymo
09/29/10 05:23 PM  
Re: The BugFarm #4 coming to a beer near you
I just ordered 2 vials from Joe today. One will be grown into a 5 gallon batch that will act as a bug starter for a barrel project (possibly blended with some 3rd generation Roselare beer as well prior to inoculating the barrel.) I haven't decided what to do with the 2nd vial yet. So many options!
da
09/29/10 09:28 PM  
Re: The BugFarm #4 coming to a beer near you
Is this the only way to get Bugfarm #4? or is Al planning on opening up his East Coast Labs website for sales? I'd prefer to pay Al directly, but will go through the shop if necessary.
Patrick
09/29/10 09:56 PM  
Re: The BugFarm #4 coming to a beer near you
When I talked to Joe, he said something along the lines of Al setting up his own website.
GuitarLord5000
10/01/10 01:24 PM  
Re: The BugFarm #4 coming to a beer near you
Just got my Bugfarm #4 in the mail today. Big thanks to Al and another to Joe at Princeton Homebrew. Now I just need to figure out what to brew!

Cheers,

Dave

Al B
10/01/10 08:56 PM  
Re: The BugFarm #4 coming to a beer near you
Good to hear GuitarLord. New Orleans can't get much more funkier but the beer can! As far as what to brew - if you want sour - more dextrin & time will always do the trick.

To answer a couple of questions, I am looking at a website for general info - not selling online directly. Granted Joe does not have a website either, although my hope is that those in the area will give him some more biz in addtion to some new yeast.

Its good to hear that many are purchasing several bottles of yeast for others in their neck of the woods, I think Joe is enthusiastic in this endeavor. Of course, I am now under the gun to produce more yeast product - which may mean some slight delays....until I expand alittle.

I am making more bugfarm, Saison blend w/ and w/ out Farmhouse brett (oh yeah - I think you know what ghostly brett that is), Old Newark Ale (THE original Ballantine ale yeast) and Scottish Heavy (an old Brewtek strain).

Other possibilities in the future may be:

Trappist Ale (Brewtek strain mentioned in Brew like a Monk)

Belgian Abbaye (secret)

Flanders Blend (rodenbugs)

Berliner Weiss (seasonal)

Munich Fest (Hacker Pschorr)

Brett blend #9 (a goaty barnyard Funk) that has not "run away" with my beer over 1 yr old.

Brett naardensis (huh?)

Caaaaaaan you dig it? (The Warriors)

Al B drinkin'

michaewa
10/01/10 09:08 PM  
Re: The BugFarm #4 coming to a beer near you
Thanks Al - just got mine last night. Looking forward to firing up the brewery the first chance I get. Southwest MO has a dearth of funk, going to do my best to rectify.

Cheers!

John
10/02/10 12:31 AM  
Re: The BugFarm #4 coming to a beer near you
Derek: fwiw the guys at cantillon told me in march that they blend 1/3rd of each year as a general rule and adjust to taste from there.

Al B and Nina B: much as i hate working for them id like to suggest the usps. i love the click and ship and prices are competitive. Al,

email me when you get a chance. i am curious if you could perform some tests (for pay) for my sauce and possibly some salsa.

and count me in for bugfarms, berliners and all things funky!

jaymo
10/02/10 03:10 AM  
Re: The BugFarm #4 coming to a beer near you
Brett naardensis. . . Whatever that is it sounds fun! I noticed you included Brett Custersianus in the BF4 blend. Is that something that might ever be available as a single strain? I remember you posting something about it awhile back now, but wasn't sure if any all-brett brews were tried with it or anything like that. . .
brewinhard
10/02/10 07:48 AM  
Re: The BugFarm #4 coming to a beer near you
Al,

Are those listed strains going to be available at Joe's place (princeton) for shipping in the future?

jaymo
10/07/10 01:58 AM  
Re: The BugFarm #4 coming to a beer near you
Al, or anyone that has an answer to this really-

Some friends and I are going to be doing a collaborative brandy barrel project soon. We were looking at having everyone brew a belgian influenced imperial stout using Ardennes, then I'm doing the same recipe but with Roselare and/or Bugfarm4, which I have 2 vials of right now.

If I run a slurry of BF4 through a couple generations of 5-6 gallon batches, then use the resultant slurry to ferment an imperial stout, would the result have high enough populations to innoculate the rest of the ale yeast fermented batch? (My 5 gallon contribution will be the only bugs going into the 55 gallon barrel.)

I assume that with the high OG/FG of this sort of beer there will be plenty of food. Thanks!

B-Dub
10/07/10 05:45 PM  
Re: The BugFarm #4 coming to a beer near you
Jaymo,

Last Jan I used a 3 gallon starter of BF3 that was a month or two old to start a 60 gallon barrel. The 3 gallons of BF were enough to see solid fermentation by the next morning. Quite a surprise!!

Right now the barrel is very sour and tasting in the right direction. The one vial of BF3 was the only bugs added to a very clean barrel.

I hope that helps,

BW

GuitarLord5000
10/07/10 08:24 PM  
Re: The BugFarm #4 coming to a beer near you
Man, the pitch rate on BF4 must be fantastic! I've got crazy fermentation happening after only 5 or 6 hours from pitching. Now, in two years or so, hopefully I'll be drinking some fantastic lambic. Thanks once again Al and Joe.

Cheers,

Dave

John
10/08/10 12:48 PM  
Re: The BugFarm #4 coming to a beer near you
Are you guys transferring your Bugfarmy beer to secondary after a couple of weeks, or going primary the whole way, lambic style?
jaymo
10/08/10 01:30 PM  
Re: The BugFarm #4 coming to a beer near you
I transferred my BF3 batches, and then re-pitched the slurry, going through several generations. That method yield good results for me, so I intend to do the same with the BF4 as well.
Patrick
10/08/10 04:46 PM  
Re: The BugFarm #4 coming to a beer near you
jaymo,

When you say better results, do you mean more sour or what?

GuitarLord5000
10/09/10 12:46 AM  
Re: The BugFarm #4 coming to a beer near you
I'm going to go primary the whole way on this one. I figured that the best use for all those Brett strains would be to not rack the beer.

Cheers,

Dave

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