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B-Dub
05/16/11 08:48 PM  
Finishing bottles like Cantillion
Hello all,

Wondering of any one else finished bottles like Cantillion? Just popped a top and cork on some Gueuze and thought this might be my new way to finish sours.

Any thoughts?

BW

smellysell
05/16/11 11:09 PM  
Re: Finishing bottles like Cantillion
I haven't done it yet, but plan on doing both my gueuze and solera barrel beers that way.
Baums
05/17/11 03:08 AM  
Re: Finishing bottles like Cantillion
Why bother with the cork?
B-Dub
05/17/11 10:26 AM  
Re: Finishing bottles like Cantillion
Why bother with the cork?

Well, that is the root of the question really. Why do they put a cork in it, so to speak? For short term storage, say a few years I think a cap would be just fine. Maybe in the very long term, 5 years to 20, the cork acts as insurance to cap failure and a second line of defense to O2.

As a side note once and awhile some beer does get past the cork into the cap area and turn to vinegar. Last night I had one such bottle. The Beer inside was slightly acetic. Now that leads me to wonder if the cap hadn't leaked if the beer would have tasted the same.

BW

Brian S
05/17/11 10:39 AM  
Re: Finishing bottles like Cantillion
After just setting myself up for the punishment that is corking belgians, I would agree it doesn't make sense to cork AND cap. How much cork character do you get in a beer aged on wood? It is much cheaper & easier to get a capper with an adaptor for the 29 mm caps and just do that. A corker for wine style corks is ~ $70. If you want to do belgian/champagne you need the ferrari, which is north of $100.

Watch out, I don't think the belgian bottles accept the caps, you would need champagne style bottles for this.<<>>

da
05/17/11 02:48 PM  
Re: Finishing bottles like Cantillion
I cork+cap quite a few bottles, I like the woody character the cork provides over time. Wine corks are much less expensive than Belgian corks + cages, so might be something to think about.

Also, make sure to let them sit upright for a week or so before you set them on their side, else they do tend to leak a bit at first.

Also, you can do Belgian corks just fine with the cheaper floor corker, and mine was much less than $70.

B-Dub
05/17/11 02:56 PM  
Re: Finishing bottles like Cantillion
"Wine corks are much less expensive than Belgian corks + cages, so might be something to think about."

This would be one of the reasons I was thinking of.

BW

tankdeer
05/17/11 04:23 PM  
Re: Finishing bottles like Cantillion
I've done it before, but don't know that it contributed anything. It was more just for fun on some beers I planned on aging for a long time.

<<Also, you can do Belgian corks just fine with the cheaper floor corker, and mine was much less than $70.>>

This. I've done plenty. It's supposedly easier with the Ferarri, but I haven't had any problems with the cheaper floor corker.

smokingole
05/17/11 06:19 PM  
Re: Finishing bottles like Cantillion
I bought a Ferrari corker after doing a wine kit and with intention of doing Belgians. I have not used any other corker but I must say that the Ferrari makes life super easy. I looked at a couple different accounts of doing it with normal corkers and I think for the extra money spent the Ferrari was worth the expenditure.

I have also wondered about the corked and capped bottles. I always got the impression they used the "belgian" corks and not wine corks. Of course I can't see why you couldn't use decent wine corks in place of the agglomerated corks that mushroom.

smokingole
05/17/11 06:19 PM  
Re: Finishing bottles like Cantillion
I bought a Ferrari corker after doing a wine kit and with intention of doing Belgians. I have not used any other corker but I must say that the Ferrari makes life super easy. I looked at a couple different accounts of doing it with normal corkers and I think for the extra money spent the Ferrari was worth the expenditure.

I have also wondered about the corked and capped bottles. I always got the impression they used the "belgian" corks and not wine corks. Of course I can't see why you couldn't use decent wine corks in place of the agglomerated corks that mushroom.

Smokinghole
05/17/11 06:19 PM  
Re: Finishing bottles like Cantillion
I bought a Ferrari corker after doing a wine kit and with intention of doing Belgians. I have not used any other corker but I must say that the Ferrari makes life super easy. I looked at a couple different accounts of doing it with normal corkers and I think for the extra money spent the Ferrari was worth the expenditure.

I have also wondered about the corked and capped bottles. I always got the impression they used the "belgian" corks and not wine corks. Of course I can't see why you couldn't use decent wine corks in place of the agglomerated corks that mushroom.

Smokinghole
05/17/11 06:20 PM  
Re: Finishing bottles like Cantillion
I bought a Ferrari corker after doing a wine kit and with intention of doing Belgians. I have not used any other corker but I must say that the Ferrari makes life super easy. I looked at a couple different accounts of doing it with normal corkers and I think for the extra money spent the Ferrari was worth the expenditure.

I have also wondered about the corked and capped bottles. I always got the impression they used the "belgian" corks and not wine corks. Of course I can't see why you couldn't use decent wine corks in place of the agglomerated corks that mushroom.

Smokinghole
05/17/11 06:23 PM  
Re: Finishing bottles like Cantillion
Whoops I just figured out how to post on here and over did the "submit" button. Sorry guys.
da
05/17/11 06:32 PM  
Re: Finishing bottles like Cantillion
How does the Ferrari make the Belgian-corking process easier? I'm not trying to say it doesn't, but I looked at it when I got mine and couldn't really tell a difference.

On mine I just put a stopper on the press to limit the amount the cork goes into the bottle, does the Ferrari have a height setting?

Smokinghole
05/17/11 06:36 PM  
Re: Finishing bottles like Cantillion
The Ferrari has a nut on the cork push rod that is adjustable and well it's designed for fatter corks. The little explanations I saw usually involved some additional gizmo like a screwdriver or something to assist in the corking process. I think the fact the Ferrari Champagne corker is designed for larger diameter corks makes it easy. There is a plain Ferrari wine corker also.

The only bottles that are not easy to cork with the Ferrari are the 375s since they're too short. I just stick a block on the spring loaded foot to fix that issue.

 
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